New Flatpak runtime updates available out of nowhere

Few mins ago, i just updated the mirrors and downloaded the new stable release… no error and everything went fine after restart… BUT after im just double check for updates in Pamac, there are 4 new updates available out of nowhere and the really strange move is, all 4 updates are Flatpak, but i never used flatpak besides i download few weeks ago a game but i don’t see any relations to this flatpak updates… whats going on now?

Should i better disable flatpak’s? I have a bad feeling to update this new Packages.

Here some system Infos:


inxi --admin --verbosity=7 --filter --no-host --width:

perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
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    are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
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  Message: No logical block device data found.
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  System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C gpu: nvidia temp: 34 C
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  flatpak: 5 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.16 running-in: konsole inxi: 3.3.12

To get an overview of what is installed using flatpak use

flatpak list

To get detailed info about a package and the used runtimeenvironment use:

flatpak info [ApplicationId]

As flatpak does remove any unused package by without being asked to to so you need

flatpack uninstall --unused

to cleanup left over dependencies.


flatpak list:

Name                       Application ID                                  Version          Branch       Installation
Beyond All Reason                        1.1351.0.1       stable       system
Freedesktop Platform       org.freedesktop.Platform                        21.08.8          21.08        system
Mesa                       org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default             21.3.3           21.08        system
nvidia-495-44              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-495-44                        1.4          system
openh264                   org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264               2.1.0            2.0          system

Besides the Flatpak game “Beyond all Reason” i have nothing with Flatpak manually installed on my PC. And this Flatpak updates just showed up, right after my stable release update.

It is not out of sudden. You may have flatpak packages installed. See also here: show all flatpak updates (94ca22ea) · Commits · Applications / libpamac · GitLab

Hi everybody,

Those updates pop up on my laptops too, but if I click on apply pamac-manager asked for my password and then simply reloads the (allegedly) available updates. No other actions are performed.

I think it’s related to the last Manjaro update:

[2022-01-27T09:13:32+0000] [ALPM] upgraded pamac-gtk (10.3.0-2 -> 10.3.0-4)
[2022-01-27T09:13:32+0000] [ALPM] upgraded pamac-cli (10.3.0-2 -> 10.3.0-4)
[2022-01-27T09:13:32+0000] [ALPM] upgraded libpamac-flatpak-plugin (11.2.0-3 -> 11.2.0-4)
[2022-01-27T09:13:32+0000] [ALPM] upgraded libpamac (11.2.0-3 -> 11.2.0-4)

I can confirm with certainty that there are no flatpak updates:
a) the command sudo flatpak update --system results in:

$ sudo flatpak update --system
Looking for updates…
Nothing to do.

Installed flatpaks:

$ flatpak list

Name                                            Application ID                                Version            Branch          Installation
Freedesktop Platform                            org.freedesktop.Platform                      20.08.17           20.08           system
Freedesktop Platform                            org.freedesktop.Platform                      21.08.9            21.08           system
Mesa                                            org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default           21.1.8             20.08           system
Mesa                                            org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default           21.3.3             21.08           system
openh264                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264             2.1.0              2.0             system
GNOME Application Platform version 40           org.gnome.Platform                                               40              system
GNOME Application Platform version 41           org.gnome.Platform                                               41              system

Installed flatpak packages:

$ sudo pamac search --installed flatpak
libpamac-flatpak-plugin                                                                                                                 11.2.0-4  extra 
    Flatpak plugin for Pamac
flatpak                                                                                                                                 1.12.3-1  extra 
    Linux application sandboxing and distribution framework (formerly xdg-app)

b) I run almost a dozen Debian Testing KVMs, and none of them claims that there are any flatpak updates.

c) Even after removing unused flatpak packages pamac-manager still claims that there are updates:

$ sudo flatpak uninstall --unused

        ID                                           Branch          Op
 1. [-] org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default          20.08           r
 2. [-] org.freedesktop.Platform                     20.08           r
 3. [-] org.freedesktop.Platform.Locale              20.08           r
 4. [-] org.gnome.Platform                           40              r
 5. [-] org.gnome.Platform.Locale                    40              r
$ sudo flatpak list
Name                                            Application ID                                Version           Branch           Installation
AnyDesk                                         com.anydesk.Anydesk                           6.1.1             stable           system
Freedesktop Platform                            org.freedesktop.Platform                      21.08.9           21.08            system
Mesa                                            org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default           21.3.3            21.08            system
openh264                                        org.freedesktop.Platform.openh264             2.1.0             2.0              system
Cheese                                          org.gnome.Cheese                              3.38.0            stable           system
GNOME Application Platform version 41           org.gnome.Platform                                              41               system
$ sudo flatpak update --system
Looking for updates…
Nothing to do.


Any ideas? @philm ?

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Same problem here. In my case these are the packages listed in pamac:
KDE Application Platform org.kde.Platform 5.15 flathub system
KDE Application Platform org.kde.Platform 5.15-21.08 flathub system

By the way I cannot understand why I have two org.kde.Platform installed ::

@laska.bozzolo They are different versions. Different apps are built on different versions. This is not unusual, even with traditional package manager installers.

I also had this issue with two KDE platform packages turning up repeatedly in Pamac GUI no matter what I did, but as suggested above by @a-sassermann

flatpak uninstall --unused

Removed those and now Pamac GUI reports all updates are installed - what hasn’t updated is the Pamac updates notifier in my manjaro Gnome status area. I’m sure it will catch up eventually :wink:

I tried

flatpak uninstall --unused

but I get “Nothing unused to uninstall”

As I wrote in my post that makes no difference at all. Maybe pamac-manager has a different caching mechanism? There is no problem with pamac.

Doing flatpak uninstall --unused removed these packages in pamac for me.

I had same issue running sudo pacman -Syu fixed it for me. Cli reported nothing to do and then mysterious flatpak updates in pamac disappeared

Hi sawdoctor,

I ran sudo pacman -Syu

$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core is up to date
 extra is up to date
 community is up to date
 multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
 there is nothing to do

and then

$ sudo flatpak update --system
Looking for updates…
Nothing to do.

But it made no difference in pamac-manager (the GUI not the CLI). The CLI command pamac has no flatpak or snap integration, at least I haven’t found it yet but I made be wrong on that.

The GUI (pamac-manager) still shows two flatpak updates.

Interestingly on another laptop, also running Manjaro-Xfce stable, there isn’t any issue with pamac-manager. But I can’t find any differences between the laptops; both running as KVM hosts; same configuration; even the hardware is the same (both are Tuxedo Pulse1 Gen15), the only difference is that one has 64GB RAM and 2TB storage, and the other has 32GB RAM and 1TB storage. The former has the issue.

Strange, maybe refresh database in pamac gui? There’s definitely no updates but it was annoying me seeing the red icon all the time

I did refresh the DB in pamac-manager; I also updated my mirrors; but that also made no difference. I’m lost…very strange behavior.

I downloaded the updates (and i had to download/install the freedesktop.Platform nvidia driver twice) after @philm replied that this updates can’t show up out of nowhere i though its the best way to blind go through the update process :innocent:

Anyways i have to add, that pamac no longer shows updates now after updating the flatpaks.

But you guys may proofed me wrong… i just hope i don’t downloaded compromised files (maybe a security leak?) inside manjaro/pamac? :cold_face:

That’s interesting, because I tried to apply the (alleged) updates too, but in my case pamac-manager did not do any updates but showed the updates again.

yeah same… i had to repeat this steps two or three times again to finally finish it.

I just did it 15 times, I think; could be more, pamac-manager shows Transaction successfully or so and then check for updates, and shows me the flatpak updates again. There isn’t anything to update in my flatpak installation. I can’t help to believe that there is something wrong with pamac-manager since the last update. It seems not to have any influence on the CLI, hence it’s currently just annoying to have that dot on the tray icon.

In my case too… I tried to apply several times, but pamac didn’t do anything and showed the updates again and again ::

I don’t know if it will help but the last time I had an issue with an update I changed the mirrors from United States to Worldwide refreshed and everything updated.After the updates I switched back and haven’t had any issues.