Will Manjaro implement age verification?

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This is pretty devastating - especially in a country like Thailand, where anyone can accuse you of Lese Majeste and have you arrested if they take offense; meaning that having a free online existence is definitely going to be a thing of the past.

The government will hold ALL keys to your free speech…

I made some jokes about moving back to packet radio before, but in many ways, I think that is starting to sound like a really nice idea right now.

I’m kinda curious how much they’ll get it all nailed down, I know many oppressive countries have already got massive powers to control citizens.

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I am usually very unaware of local news, but seems like here in India - The Digital Personal Data Protection (DPDP) Act, have taken a different approach,

  • The Rule: Platforms (social media, gaming, etc.) are now legally required to obtain verifiable parental consent before processing the data of anyone under 18 .
  • The Tech: Instead of just “ticking a box,” the government is pushing for technical solutions like virtual tokens mapped to digital identities (like Aadhaar) or using DigiLocker to verify age without sharing the actual document.
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I think this is kinda better implementation, we already have our all gov related documents in DigiLocker - a Gov made application, from Gov ID to tax to Edu Certificates and Pension… literally everything.

Heck, if we get pulled over we can just show all the documents of both personal and vehicle’s on digilocker…

They have made systems good enough that they pushed an advertisement - “If someone knows your Aadhar Number (Gov ID No.) don’t worry, they can’t do anything with it”
Fine asterisk - As long as they don’t have access to their phone for sms :joy:

If they do, you’re done :distorted_face: :joy:

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I have a question regarding these Identify yourself or your age in order to use a Social Media Platform Laws… and everyone of them cites Social Media access.

What if you don’t use Social Media?

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People who use social media — and that includes just about 99.95% of all politicians — cannot accept that there exist other people who do not use social media.

They’re like the Flat-Earthers. :smiling_face_with_horns:

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I wonder who the other 0.05% are. I’d like to meet them.

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They’re the ones doing hard labor at the rehabilitation camps. :wink:

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Haha they have cameras with FaceID, vehicle tracking, satellites…

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You and my wife would be best friends. She doesn’t have an account on any of the social media platforms.

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I don’t use anything else than YouTube… but do have accounts just in case need it someday, don’t log in for years.
And Whatsapp - everyone here uses it, contacts primarily on it, can’t get rid how hard I try… Big curse

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The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

It is a surveillance tool disguised as protection for parents who are too lazy to police their own children. From the polar opposite end, companies like Meta are trying to avoid their fiduiary duties by pushing risk and liability off their plate. It also strengthens Microslop who has the capital to negotiate terms and fight legal battles. There is no Linux corporate CEO to go after. Then there is the rest of us, who want to be left alone without Big Brother spying on us. This is just the first step in total compliance.

This is a major reason so many users are fleeing Windows for Linux.

It is unconstitional, since it violates the 4th and 5th amendments of the US Constitiution.

Any criiminal will find ways around verification.

How can it be about the children when it is capturing the Adults information as well.

Will Epstein or some pedo politician, or corrupt CPS agent be the gatekeeper for surveillance?

Soon they will be chasing after delinquent child support parents because they logged into a computer.

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I think the opposite… as folks become more entitled, they expect to be protected… and the authorities then feel free to impose more invasive controls…

Certainly the Australian government wouldn’t trust a parent to show any signs of responsibility :stuck_out_tongue: but I guess there are legal issues with expecting parents to have full control over every aspect of their offspring…

Thailand it’s even worse… pre-emptive policing is rampant, it is a feature of authoritarianism.

For example, taking my son to school, there’s a road into the school, and I could go off the road on my bike and into a wide path behind the canteen, then walk him in… but that path is not a ‘designated parking’ or ‘roadway’ and so over the years they go through phases of running out and shouting.

Assistants are the worst, teachers never bothered, but on time the Assistant Director was on walkabout, and the next day we recieved an official looking warning via the teacher.

Simply because they look and make a cursory classification ‘pedestrian zone’ they make the ‘logical conclusion’ that it’s therefore dangerous, and so my behaviour is therefore reckless… and so it could feasibly escalate into a far more serious scenario.

9 years, I didn’t have any other encounter than with authoritarians, but I have seen kids try to run across the road between cars, and occasionally run into cars, and be hit by cars.

Fleeing Windows and going for Linux doesn’t escape the culture, it just gets you out from the biggest and most complicit actor in the game.

We definitely need to avoid, wherever possible, any services based in the USA - I’d like to see some alternatives to YouTube and Google not based in the USA.

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In the USA, a parent IS the legal guardian until a child reaches 18. A parent can go to jail if their kid skips too many classes at school. This is why laws and punitive punishments are different for children as it is for adults. I have a feeling you were being sarcastic.

The bottom line is I don’t get what hardware and child protection have in common. Do you have to register a toaster so your child does not burn their hand, or register a refrigerator so your child does not catch a cold? After all, my refrigerator does have Wifi!!! Can you imagine a restaurant having to age verify all their employess into each cash register?

If they are going to set a bar, it should be at the web access level, (dating sites, cornhub, etc) which most do already, not at the architecture/firmware level. Your computer fan does not keep secrets or tell lies.

How does this affect a corporate server farm administrator? Does he have to fill out a form for each of 10K servers in his administration?

I think Fairgrounds have the best approach with a sign that says you have to be “This high” to enter.

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That’s the EU’s proposed solution. Platform operators are supposed to verify users’ ages. I’m just not sure if that’s the best solution if it means I have to disclose my personal information to everyone.

In the end, it will probably be a service provider that collects my data and handles the authentication on behalf of the platforms. Of course, that provider will get hacked in the very first year, and all the data will be leaked, as usual.

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I cannot disagree with those arguments. :man_shrugging:

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… Neither can I. And the likes of Scroogle™ whose business models rely on data brokerage (and making a fortune off the proceeds) then trying to pass the buck on to umpaid developers and maintainers … shameful, in my honest opinion.

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Yes, parents are legally responsible for minors - but lawmakers argue that platforms must also bear more responsibility, and the Government takes up as much ‘responsiblity’ as it can manage because that gives it power.

In the UK, we get angry - it is called the ‘Nanny State’ - and often it feels like (and sometimes it just IS) an over-reach that treads on our toes and invades our private lives.

On the other hand, I did get the impression before I left that parents in the UK tend to have less ability to manage their offspring - times changed a lot since the introduction of mobile phones and ubiquitous internet…

So I do have a strong feeling that parental intervention should now be required to ALLOW access…

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Nope, i don’t any longer. Dropped it in favor of Signal. If someone wants to contact me: calling or SMS.
All other important people around me are migrated to Signal as well.

One of many Youtube Videos which have been released the last days:

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Saw this yesterday.

It’s very unfortunate to be in this position…
However far the e.V. has come, I hope transition completes soon or it’s concluded to fork.
Because the community doesn’t deserve this type of reputation online.

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The comments under these videos are showing that people don’t understand, make wrong estimations and spread the word.

That’s ridicolous.

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