Should gnome edition default to Wayland session?

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#1

Currently Manjaro uses Xorg by default on Gnome edition. Wayland takes a little bit more ram, but runs about 300% smoother. Fedora has been defaulting to Wayland for years now, and we too have been looking for the right time to make the switch. For me, critical show stopper has been Pop-shell not working correctly on Wayland. However, with the latest update, it seems to be stable on Wayland too.

So, does anyone else know of any showstoppers preventing the switch to wayland?

  • Wayland is the way!
  • No, let’s keep using Xorg!

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@Ste74

#2

so what is the status for nvidia drivers with wayland ?
also radeon & amdgpu with wayland ?
the last intel with wayland ?

and what about arm driver video with wayland ?

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#3

Switching to wayland by default Is a carefull thing because we don t know where user want run Gnome…

#4

I used Gnome very little, so I’m rather conservative on that matter. Were not lots of applications / settings / etc malfunctioning with Wayland at some point?
I’m not very aware of Wayland progress but I remember it was rather a project “on the work”, promising but not fully ready.
I guess it’s fully mature by now?

#5

I’m also worried about the Wayland compatibility of the proprietary nvidia drivers like @stephane.

#6

Crappy as ever, so gnome automatically disables Wayland for nvidia users. They would not be impacted.

Working nicely afaik.

No idea, but this decision doesn’t impact Arm editions in any way…

#7

I would say wayland is mature at this point, but some extensions might not support gnome perfectly. On the other hand, other extension don’t work correctly without wayland. :man_shrugging: We can’t make sure that all extensions work always, but we do ensure that the ones we ship keep working. So basically the stuff that is directly available in gnome-layout-switcher.

One thing to note is that Manjaro ootb experience as vmware guest is terrible, and Wayland fixes that.

#8

I heard about XWayland. Is it still a thing?

#9

I just decided to give Wayland a try, and discovered that Barrier (keyboard/mouse sharing application) doesn’t work correctly. Barrier server is running on Manjaro, and with Wayland, the Super key appears to get trapped and not passed through to the client, which is MacOS.

EDITED to add a missing word.

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#10

It is. It means that nonwayland apps still work on wayland.

#11

Thank you, this is exactly the kind of data I was looking for.

#12

And it doesn’t look like support is coming anytime soon, unfortunately:

#13

I guess it’s a good idea. Distribution as big as manjaro will definitely have an impact on the Linux world and especially if you want to make a new standard it’s a good way to encourage developers to adapt. If someone has issues they can turn back to xorg in couple of clicks. Though majority will stay and use wayland fixing it’s bugs, creating issues and polishing it, which is crucial if you want to get rid of xorg and persuade nvidia.

Obviously It’s a good idea only if wayland meets some minimum criteria.

#14

What’s the situation regarding hybrid (optimus) laptops with Wayland? I’ve heard it’s a bit slower for games too. I say let the gamers decide :stuck_out_tongue:

#15

For newbies, it’s best to leave Xorg as the default. But who needs to also go to Wayland in a couple of clicks. :wink:

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#16

You’ve got a point :smiley:

#17

A default setting is something that works for most setups. Wayland is not working for many setups and many apps. From that point of view the answer should be clear: The default should stay with Xorg.

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