Many -git versions from Architect, installed as User-manager-git dependences

[gan]

Recently, after last update, I’ve got problems with KDE Applications Menu.

As reported here KDE Plasma kickstart issue: loop message "Applications updated.", the solution could be remove kservice-git and install kservice regular version, as tested from @TechXero, or do
mv ~/.config/mimeapps.list ~/.local/share/applications/
Another post: Issue with menus

I installed manjaro with Architect.

So, I tried to find what package installed these -git versions, reading pacman.log from when I installed Manjaro and, finally, I found it! User-manager-git.

I did the command:
$ pactree -u user-manager-git

and filtered with only -git packages I have installed, I get these packages:

attica-git karchive-git kauth-git kbookmarks-git kcodecs-git kcompletion-git kconfig-git kconfigwidgets-git kcoreaddons-git kcrash-git kdbusaddons-git kglobalaccel-git kguiaddons-git ki18n-git kiconthemes-git kitemviews-git knotifications-git kservice-git ktextwidgets-git kwallet-git kwidgetsaddons-git kwindowsystem-git kxmlgui-git sonnet-git kjobwidgets-git kio-git solid-git

They are the only packages on my system that are in -git version.
And all of them are dipendences of user-manager-git installed by Architect.
In repositories, each of them has its corresponding regular version.

I would like to replace user-manager-git with the regular version, because I think I will have problems sooner or later. The question I ask those who will be able to answer is:

can i uninstall user-manager-git and those dependences, and reinstall the regular version right away, without breaking my system?
What is the properly command with pacman? I should do it from a live CD?

[ceres]

I have only git version of user-manager in the repo. Do you have the regular version?
Besides, the bug mentioned in the post is resolved already: 429593 – KBuildSycoca loop causes hangs

[gan]

You are right.
User-manager is not present in the repositories.
But, what package has installed these packages in -git version?

And is safe to uninstall them?

On my other Manjaro (on my laptop) user-manager-git isn’t installed (I suppose because I installed manjaro there with a regular ISO Live).
Do you think is safe uninstall it?

I could do a command like this:
sudo pacman -Rdd <package>-git
and then
sudo pacman -S <package>

I found another post with the same problem (less then one month ago), but without a solution reply.

A lot of git versions of KDE packages have been installed and Dolphin locale is not right

There’s tons, the problem is, it’s a fresh Manjaro install, made with latest iso from the oficial manjaro web site, even kde desktop was compiled with the ki18n-git, also until yesterday night ki18n didi not appear on the repository, the only way is to force unninstall ki18n-git and that breaks lot of apps and even the kde desktop enviroment, then install ki18n and “force” reinstall all the affected packages, this should not happen out of the box on a fresh install! I used Manjaro Architect for…

[ceres]

@gan

And is safe to uninstall them?

I don’t know.
I also don’t have user-manager-git installed, but I have other -git packages you listed.

I tried some to replace with the regular ones but it caused issues, for example replacing kiconthemes-git with kiconthemes affected appearance of my desktop (I don’t experience any problem with -git packages actually other than mimeapps.list issue, I did it just for curiosity ).

[gan]

Mmmh… maybe, in order not to have problems, we should replace all of them, since there are cross dependencies between them.
Maybe we should switch to TTY and stop plasma-desktop.

You see, I would like to replace every git version because I fear that sooner or later they will bork the system.

On reflection, those -git packages, coming from AUR, are always a newer, more advanced version than their counterparts found in the repos.
When we update the system, we may have some sort of partial update, right?

Unfortunately, I do not have the necessary skills to be able to decide for myself. On the other hand, it would be better to try to fix things now that I have a system recently installed and not customized.

[cscs]

Not entirely sure how you ended up with them but yes you can replace them all with the regular versions.

[gan]

Sorry, @cscs, but I can’t understand a thing.

I have two machine: a laptop and an old pc.
On the first, I installed Manjaro 2 years ago by ISO live; on the second, I installed Manjaro ten days ago by Architect.
Both on Stable branch.

On my laptop I don’t have any -git packages, and it is that I want.
On the pc, I have many -git packages.

Why Architect has installed those -git version if I stay on Stable branch?

[cscs]

I dont know either.
But I do know there is more than one KDE profile … there is also KDE-Dev which does have git packages.

Is it possible you chose that by accident?

manjaro/kde-dev/Packages-Desktop · master · Profiles & Settings / iso-profiles · GitLab

manjaro/kde/Packages-Desktop · master · Profiles & Settings / iso-profiles · GitLab

[gan]

Oh, it is possible. How can I verify that?

[Lolix]

@gan

User-manager-git is not present in the repositories.

I can see it in the Manjaro repository on my computer

@gan

attica-git karchive-git kauth-git kbookmarks-git kcodecs-git kcompletion-git kconfig-git kconfigwidgets-git kcoreaddons-git kcrash-git kdbusaddons-git kglobalaccel-git kguiaddons-git ki18n-git kiconthemes-git kitemviews-git knotifications-git kservice-git ktextwidgets-git kwallet-git kwidgetsaddons-git kwindowsystem-git kxmlgui-git sonnet-git kjobwidgets-git kio-git solid-git

From the graphical package manager (I’m still using pamac-classic) select to install the regular version off all your -git packages and apply

[cscs]

Well the package list mainly (see the links above)
(or if you opted to create/save an installation log which could maybe tell us more)

…
From a quick comparison I could mention for example the regular KDE profile has the following packages by default while dev does not:

xorg-mkfontscale
khotkeys

And the reverse (exists on Dev profile) of course for a number of git packages like:

breeze-git
breeze-gtk-git
breeze-icons-git

And a bunch of ‘devvy’ things like these are also not present by default in the regular profile:

autoconf
automake
binutils
bison
fakeroot
flex
gcc
libtool
m4
make
patch
pkg-config

[gan]

So I can install regular version without uninstall the -git versions? Sorry but my English isn’t very well.

[Lolix]

@gan

So I can install regular version without uninstall the -git versions?

The graphical package manager should be able to manage the transition

[gan]

Thanks for your list.
It is strange: I don’t have xorg-mkfontscale but I have khotkeys.
I don’t have breeze-git e breeze-gtk-git.
I don’t have plasma-desktop-git and I have the regular plasma-desktop

But I have almost all items from the last list, the ‘devvy’ list.

So, how can I switch to regular? Can I transition with Pamac and follow the @Lolix suggest, or I have to resign myself and reinstall Manjaro?

[cscs]

It should be easy enough to just install the regular versions - the package manager should handle the conflict and prompt to remove and replace.

[gan]

Ok, I will try it. And for the "devvy’ items, should I uninstall them?

[cscs]

Its up to you if you want to keep them … a number of them are from base-devel which is required for using the AUR.

[gan]

Ok, I think I leave them, if they are harmless.
Well, I’ll try and I will post the result.

Where Architect save the installation log? In /var/log I have only pacman.log.

[cscs]

I believe just in root / might be anything if it is left.

[gan]

I found it. Its name is .m.a.log

11/27/20  18:56:43  selected: [Manjaro-kde]
11/27/20  18.59:55  selected 'full' profile
11/27/20  19:00:28  packages to install: .....

and there is the list of the packages installed. But there are not any -git packages. And there are the ‘devvy’ packages neither.
I think something went wrong…