Hi guys, I haven’t updated for a while since I try to avoid updating when I do numerical work on my computer (and that takes months usually).
I received the message for the new kernel (6.6) and I wanted to update but I got an incredible amount of errors:
>sudo pacman -Syu --noconfirm
"resolving dependencies...
search for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (dependencies not resolved)
:: removing kholidays breaks the 'kholidays' dependency needed by kalarmcal
:: removing kxmlgui breaks the 'kxmlgui' dependency needed by kfloppy
:: removing kcompletion breaks the 'kcompletion' dependency needed by kfloppy
:: removing kio breaks the 'kio' dependency needed by kipi-plugins
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency required by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kxmlgui breaks the 'kxmlgui' dependency required by libkipi
:: removing kservice breaks the 'kservice' dependency required by libkipi
:: removing knotifications breaks the 'knotifications' dependency required by telepathy-kde-approver
:: removing kservice breaks the 'kservice' dependency required by telepathy-kde-approver
:: removing knotifyconfig breaks the 'knotifyconfig' dependency needed by telepathy-kde-common-internals
:: removing ktexteditor breaks the 'ktexteditor' dependency required by telepathy-kde-common-internals
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency required by telepathy-kde-common-internals
:: removing krunner breaks the 'krunner' dependency required by telepathy-kde-contact-runner
:: removing kidletime breaks the 'kidletime' dependency required by telepathy-kde-integration-module
:: removing kactivities breaks the 'kactivities' dependency required by telepathy-kde-integration-module
I tried putting everything in IgnorePackage in pacman.conf:
“kholidays kxmlgui kcompletion kio kpeople kcontacts kxmlgui kservice knotifications knotifyconfig ktexteditor krunner kidletime kactivities” "
and it started giving me as error:
:: kio5 and kio are in conflict. Remove kio? [y/n]
error: unresolved packet conflicts detected
error: failed to prepare transaction (conflicting dependencies)
:: kio5 and kio conflict with (kio<5.111)
If It do “sudo pacman -Rcns kio” I get 399 packages to remove that will set free 2842,06 MiB. That cannot be right. Any suggestions how to upgrade anything on the system? Or should I just accept it’s unupgradable?
The reason why I want to upgrade is because since last week I got random system freezes. But it just wouldn’t upggrade now.
P.S. Also I tried adding the kernel with Kernel from System Settings and it gave me an error due to Nvidia dependencies. If that is important.
Or that.
For one thing you probably want kio, for another this doesnt fix your issues, and for another you really shouldnt be using -Rcs.
You should want to upgrade simply because its available and you have the time and bandwidth.
Manjaro is a rolling release system.
Doesnt exist in the repos or the AUR, unsupported, should be removed.
Same as above.
Same as above.
Same as above.
Same as above.
Same as above.
Is deprecated and should be removed. ( a package still exists in the AUR … for now )
Same as above.
You need to confirm the replacement.
But you also need to update everything, instead of trying to perform a partial upgrade - which is equal to breakage.
Hi and thanks for replying.
Yes, it’s a rolling release, but some of us prefer to keep it stable between kernels. I practically don’t restart for months, so updating everytime there is some minor update is not doable for me.
So this is the output for what you proposed.
>sudo pacman -Rns kalarmcal kfloppy telepathy-kde-approver telepathy-kde-common-internals telepathy-kde-contact-runner telepathy-kde-integration-module kipi-plugins libkipi
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (dependencies not resolved)
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-auth-handler
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-call-ui
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-contact-list
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-desktop-applets
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-filetransfer-handler
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-send-file
:: removing telepathy-kde-common-internals breaks the 'telepathy-kde-common-internals' dependency required by telepathy-kde-text-ui
and this is the output for the other stuff:
uname -r
6.5.0-1-MANJARO
6.5.0-1-MANJARO (linux65)
The following kernels are installed in your system:
* linux60
* linux61
* linux65
The kernel is supported, I removed the xanmod when I saw that nvidia works fine. And nvidia works " NVIDIA-SMI 535.104.05 Driver Version: 535.104.05 CUDA Version: 12.2"
search for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (dependencies not resolved)
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency required by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kpeoplevcard
but it wouldn’t allow me to do a -Rns to kpeople because:
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (dependencies not resolved)
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by akonadi-contacts
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency required by akonadi-search
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kitinerary
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kopete
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency required by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by ktnef
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency required by libkgapi
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency needed by plasma-workspace
Hi, sorry I should’ve added “or have an unsupported kernel installed” and CUDA can interfere with the driver update or removal, so you may need to temporarily uninstall it.
sudo pacman -Syu
: Synchronizing the package base...
core is up to date
extra is current
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting a full system upgrade...
:: Replace attica with extra/attica5? [Y/n]
:: Replace baloo with extra/baloo5? [Y/n]
:: Replace bluez-qt with extra/bluez-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace frameworkintegration with extra/frameworkintegration5? [Y/n]
:: Replace jupyter-widgetsnbextension with extra/jupyterlab-widgets? [Y/n]
:: Replace jupyterlab_pygments with extra/jupyterlab-pygments? [Y/n]
:: Replace kactivities with extra/kactivities5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kactivities-stats with extra/kactivities-stats5? [Y/n]
:: Replace karchive with extra/karchive5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kauth with extra/kauth5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kbookmarks with extra/kbookmarks5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcalendarcore with extra/kcalendarcore5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcmutils with extra/kcmutils5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcodecs with extra/kcodecs5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcompletion with extra/kcompletion5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kconfig with extra/kconfig5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kconfigwidgets with extra/kconfigwidgets5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcontacts with extra/kcontacts5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcoreaddons with extra/kcoreaddons5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kcrash with extra/kcrash5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdav with extra/kdav5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdbusaddons with extra/kdbusaddons5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdeclarative with extra/kdeclarative5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kded with extra/kded5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdesu with extra/kdesu5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdnssd with extra/kdnssd5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdoctools with extra/kdoctools5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kdsoap with extra/kdsoap-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kfilemetadata with extra/kfilemetadata5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kglobalaccel with extra/kglobalaccel5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kguiaddons with extra/kguiaddons5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kholidays with extra/kholidays5? [Y/n]
:: Replace ki18n with extra/ki18n5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kiconthemes with extra/kiconthemes5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kidletime with extra/kidletime5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kimageformats with extra/kimageformats5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kio with extra/kio5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kitemmodels with extra/kitemmodels5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kitemviews with extra/kitemviews5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kjobwidgets with extra/kjobwidgets5? [Y/n]
:: Replace knewstuff with extra/knewstuff5? [Y/n]
:: Replace knotifications with extra/knotifications5? [Y/n]
:: Replace knotifyconfig with extra/knotifyconfig5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kpackage with extra/kpackage5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kparts with extra/kparts5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kpeople with extra/kpeople5? [Y/n]
warning: kpeoplevcard: current (0.1+r38.32d50a9-1) is newer than extra (0.1-2)
:: Replace kplotting with extra/kplotting5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kpty with extra/kpty5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kquickcharts with extra/kquickcharts5? [Y/n]
:: Replace krunner with extra/krunner5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kservice with extra/kservice5? [Y/n]
:: Replace ktexteditor with extra/ktexteditor5? [Y/n]
:: Replace ktextwidgets with extra/ktextwidgets5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kunitconversion with extra/kunitconversion5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kuserfeedback with extra/kuserfeedback5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kwallet with extra/kwallet5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kwayland with extra/kwayland5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kwidgetsaddons with extra/kwidgetsaddons5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kwindowsystem with extra/kwindowsystem5? [Y/n]
:: Replace kxmlgui with extra/kxmlgui5? [Y/n]
:: Replace lib32-opencl-mesa with multilib/lib32-opencl-clover-mesa? [Y/n]
:: Replace lib32-opencl-mesa with multilib/lib32-opencl-rusticl-mesa? [Y/n]
:: Replace libqaccessibilityclient with extra/libqaccessibilityclient-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace modemmanager-qt with extra/modemmanager-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace networkmanager-qt with extra/networkmanager-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace opencl-mesa with extra/opencl-clover-mesa? [Y/n]
:: Replace opencl-mesa with extra/opencl-rusticl-mesa? [Y/n]
:: Replace plasma-framework with extra/plasma-framework5? [Y/n]
:: Replace prison with extra/prison5? [Y/n]
:: Replace purpose with extra/purpose5? [Y/n]
:: Replace python-jupyterlab_server with extra/python-jupyterlab-server? [Y/n]
:: Replace qgpgme with core/qgpgme-qt5? [Y/n]
:: Replace qqc2-desktop-style with extra/qqc2-desktop-style5? [Y/n]
:: Replace solid with extra/solid5? [Y/n]
:: Replace sonnet with extra/sonnet5? [Y/n]
:: Replace syndication with extra/syndication5? [Y/n]
:: Replace syntax-highlighting with extra/syntax-highlighting5? [Y/n]
:: Replace tbb with extra/onetbb? [Y/n]
:: Replace texlive-core with extra/texlive-basic? [Y/n]
:: Replace texlive-science with extra/texlive-mathscience? [Y/n]
:: Replace threadweaver with extra/threadweaver5? [Y/n]
resolving dependencies...
search for conflicting packages...
error: failed to prepare transaction (dependencies not resolved)
:: removing kpeople breaks the 'kpeople' dependency required by kpeoplevcard
:: removing kcontacts breaks the 'kcontacts' dependency needed by kpeoplevcard
I have no idea about your packages, et al. But if you say its been a long time between updates … sure ? Note the actual size difference is the last line - its adding 1721 MB in total to the running system.
PS:
Maybe you would also be interested in clearing most of the cache afterwards:
Clear all but the last 2 caches of installed packages:
Ok, thanks, I gave it Yes, so now I guess it’s gonna download it for a while. I’ll let you know if there are problems. Thanks a lot for the help and for the command for clearing the cache - it would come handy as I have only 41GB on my hard free. Should I try to update the kernel afterwards? Maybe when the system is up to date it would be happier to upgrade it.
If I were you I would probably hop on 6.6 as long as the hardware is happy with it, as the interwebs inform me it is expected to be the next Long Term Support kernel. (I am in fact running 6.6 now)
sudo mhwd-kernel -i linux66
Once booted into 6.6, making sure everything works, then you can remove 6.5.
sudo mhwd-kernel -r linux65
The following will rebuild initramfs and update grub. mhwd-kernel should already do these things, but here they are anyways:
sudo mkinitcpio -P
sudo update-grub
For now it makes sense to keep 6.1 as its a ‘known-working’ LTS you can have around as a back-up of sorts.
Those cache commands could be helpful then.
If you use the AUR you might have your helpers cache as well; ex, for paru:
paru -Sccd
You might also go looking in your ~/.cache directory, as most everything in there can be wiped out safely but can accrue cruft over time.
This is a huge problem.
You should do upgrades, and you should use snapshots as your safety net - not avoidance of updates.
Using BTRFS with snapshots means that, should anything displease me about an update, I can reboot to my previous state and nothing is lost… because a fresh snapshot is created with the update… I like BTRFS because it restores snapshots instantly, as opposed to the Ext4 I had before where it would spend time parsing and restoring the system (up to 15 minutes with snapshots stored on my external drive - I was using it as a kind of backup).
Well, make fun of me as much as you like, but my laptop is a work station. I don’t reboot unless it crashes. On average I reboot every 2 months. How exactly does this work with constant updates? Not everyone works all in the cloud. As a whole I really don’t appreciate the gloating. My collaborations don’t care about random update breaking gfortran or jupyter or all the 100 libraries I need.
Right now, jupyter is “working” with the password bug I fixed months ago, that requests a token every 5 minutes and packages give and error due to some kind of mismatch it glibc that anaconda froze to some old version (because this is what anaconda does) and now "GLIBCXX_3.4.32’ is not there anymore and nothing works. Some of us require a stable environment, not one that breaks or has to debugged every 2 weeks. And now, off to my favorite sport, debugging.
P.S. Also, I don’t know why I have no slider for the screen brightness and as a whole, I have the feeling the computer is working more sloppy than before. Awesome. It’s not fault of Manjaro that scientific computing sucks, but also, don’t gloat. We all have different requirements for our systems.
That works just fine if you know your system. But since you had (among other things) a plethora of packages installed that don’t exist anymore even in AUR, that suggests you don’t.
And in general… for a critical system as you present it, you show a total lack of ability to maintain it – trying to put things in “IgnorePackage” [sic], trying to use pacman -Rcsn, etc.
And then you go on and say
which is baffling to me.
No one is forcing you to be on a rolling distro and I don’t understand why you’re making your life harder by using one – for critical stuff that is.
