Discussions regarding the Manjaro 2.0 Manifesto

I was going to write something else but after reading both treads and Philip’s reply I’m rather pessimistic that there will be some sort of consensus. His reply looks like designed to be cited in news articles, and if you don’t like how things going you can leave in silence or there will be legal actions. So don’t wait for something more from his side. At least I would be surprised.

It’s depressing because it looks like you are not friends/colleges with the same passion but only employees working for free. You like it – cool. You don’t like it – fine.

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At least Phil is still alive!

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though there is the hack of just changing to the current version number in /opt/discord/resources/build_info.json and it will start just fine doing the update once it becomes available.

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N00bses doesn’t do that, Preciousss. They finds it easier to posts about it on the forumses.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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I have to apologize to all of you. It seems I’ve missed some of the events here. I believe, without fear of contradiction, that I, along with @guinux , @oberon , and of course @philm, am one of the “old timers” still active, if not as much as before, but still active in Manjaro. I have to be honest, I feel like I’m having flashbacks because we’ve already had these discussions or “storms” in the past. We’ve always come out stronger, and we’ll come out stronger this time too.

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If it weren’t for AUR, I would be running Fedora. There are at least a couple of dozen applications that I use daily that are only available on Arch-based distros through AUR. You’ve just got to pay attention to what is going on and be vigilant.

So for me, AUR availability IS a huge plus for Manjaro.

EDIT: for typo

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Exactly.

A PKGBUILD is only a bash script, so it’s human-readable. And all AUR helpers I’ve tried — as well as pamac and octopi — ask you whether you want to inspect and/or modify the PKGBUILD before building the package.

I hope you are right, and that isn’t wishful thinking.

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Yet I have learned that trick, by searching this forum. Quite likely from a response of yours.

There is always more than one way to skin a cat.

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As someone who happens to like cats — I’ve had two of them in the past — I find that… an unfortunate expression.

:crying_cat:

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I read his full article and i think its the true opposite. The way he pretends to have a unbiased opinion and repeatedly (like a broken disc) that EndeaveourOS and CachyOS would already deliver everything what Manjaro could do but better, is for me pure bs and just propaganda that you can find on many clueless reddit postings.

I think the author is pretty good in fooling other’s and it looks to me that it worked.
Comments below his Article can also easily rejected, that it will never showing up :zipper_mouth_face:

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Mangaroo :stuck_out_tongue: Forged anew

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Hello from Austria.
I have to admit that the rumors about the Manifest 2.0 brought me here, made me be concerned about the future of my favorite linux distro by far.
I am a complete noob in the linuxverse, just switched from Mint to Manjaro because of the faster speed and the better handling of my gaming needs. I also tried OpenSuse, ZorinOS, PopOS and for a very short instance MXLinux, but ManjaroKDE was the easiest and the most stable so far, even comparing it with Mint.
I try to avoid the AUR as much as I can.
And I really hope You can settle all issues regarding the latest trouble between the company and the association, and just keep developing the best linux distro I found.
Cheers to all.

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I tried EndeaveourOS yesterday to build sort of a valid opinion. But sorry Manjaro is way better in usability. I really can’t understand the rage against Manjaro. Because of 2 weeks package delay? come on look at most of the other distros to see what delay is all about :slight_smile:

This is not against the othter distros, they have their valid use cases.

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I’m using Manjaro on all of my PCs and notebooks for many, many years. It’s stable and works very well for me.
I must admit, I took it for granted and never thought about the people behind the project.
It’s sad to see that behind the curtain there is such turmoil.
I hope it will be sorted as I don’t want to leave Manjaro and don’t want to look for a replacement. I don’t think there is currently a replacement that would fit my needs as good as Manjaro.
If the Verein can be started successfully, I would not mind to donate a small amount each month like I do for Blender.

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100% in agreement! :wink:

:100:

Haters gonna hate. They think dissing on someone or something makes them look cooler in the eyes of their peers.

I’ve already been noticing for at least two decades — if not longer — that cruelty is the new way of scoring street credibility points. :man_facepalming:

To someone looking for stability instead of for “Oooh, shiny!”, the delay is a blessing. To shallow people with extreme ADHD, it is not.

I believe the word “philistines” would be appropriate in their case.


In my personal opinion, there isn’t, no, because our curation process in combination with the (from an engineering vantage) solid underpinnings of Arch is pretty unique in Distro Land.

Let me reiterate the following once again… I have been exclusively using GNU/Linux for over a quarter of a century — so I am not a l33t g4m3r or an MS-Windows refugee — and Manjaro is the distribution I’ve been running the longest now, just a couple of weeks short of 7 years, without any distro-hopping in between at all.

Have I encountered problems? Yes, I have.

KDE Plasma 5.25 was a nightmare — even KDE themselves stated that it was 'not exactly their best work." But here’s where @philm’s genius saved the day, because he immediately made it possible for those of us with Plasma 5.25 problems — i.e. about half of all Plasma users on the forum at the time — to continue using the much more stable and functional Plasma 5.24 LTS, via a separate and temporal repository.

Other than that, it has been a peachy ride, and any other niggles I’ve experienced were also mainly due to bugs in the upstream packages — i.e. the source code from the developers themselves — and were only very small issues by comparison.

Oh, and this is my production desktop machine, which has been up 24/7 ever since, only interrupted by the usual reboots after an update or the occasional power outage.

If the problem is actually located in the biological unit between the keyboard and the chair, then people should not be blaming it on Manjaro. It’s that simple.

Lastly, and again, we acknowledge @philm’s talent at putting a functional distribution together and keeping it up-to-date without too many problems for most people, and we consider him a valuable asset.

But he’s not very good as a project leader, and it is this aspect which has been manifesting itself to increasing degrees over the last couple of years. And that is why we’re now pushing for what we believe to be a much better organizational solution.

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Well that’s variable, but there are just loads of people pushing the narrative now that they find Arch is totally stable, so the delays are a waste of time.

The narrative has an extremely short and a rather distorted memory, and we’re forgetting that it only takes a minute to jump over to Testing… or Unstable. People are generally moved to shout up more also when they’re passionate - and hate is the most powerful motivator, as when we’re lovin’ it we are too busy just getting on with it.

I find that the curation is simply a nice way to put yourself 95% the way to stability without waiting 2 years from packages being fixed and hitting our repo.

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I started this some years ago - vanilla KDE Plasma, and vanilla zsh/bash OMG!!! I spent about 2 weeks at the time - thinking it’s nice to follow friends…

Funny thing is, after 2 weeks.. most of them had moved on again (no idea where TBH).

Beyond the obvious, there were just so many hidden things… for sure it’s a transition that would take me more than a couple of months to get used to.

Also, as I use Testing and not Unstable, I’d be niggly about the constant streaming updates.

It was similarly painful moving from Linux Mint Cinnamon to Manjaro KDE… butchering configs and throwing a lot of Cinnamon stuff away; then you remember you can’t do ‘dpkg --reconfigure’ and feel nostalgic about the Debian tools.

So sure, there are many ‘valid’ options - but I’m confident that all the options suck in so many ways.

It’s always good to remember:

All software sucks, just some sucks more than others…
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Indeed, this is why I love Manjaro. While others were having problems receiving their newest packages in Arch, I have never had any problems since using Manjaro since 2023. I believe the package curation is unique to Manjaro because I haven’t found any other distributions that meet my needs for my desktop.

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