When will Manjaro follow in Fedora 41’s footsteps, namely the move to Wayland?

Hello @Yochanan,

One question: when will Manjaro follow in Fedora 41’s footsteps, namely the move to Xorg?

Effects of this thing (xorg in trash) at KDE Plasma Spin:

  • no more “Wayland”, “X11”, etc. menu buttons in SDDM

  • overscan finally applies to SDDM, when Plasma’s configuration is applied:

For the moment, I’m on Fedora 41 beta KDE spin, but I much prefer Manjaro.

On Fedora, I lose the customization options when I upgrade my Fedora to a major version (by the way, does this happen automatically, or do I have to play around with do-release stuff…?).

That’s why I prefer Manjaro: you configure the system once and for all., thank you rolling.

My only regret with Manjaro :

  • ALPM/PKGs instead of RPM/Deb, more common formats;

  • AUR integration (updates, security keys…), I don’t know if it’s more stable on Arch vanilla.

  • no wayland-only yet; well, I’m exaggerating, the only one to have done so is Fedora :grin:.

Sorry if this is a bit disjointed/in the wrong place, it’s my first time on a Linux distribution technical forum.

I really like Manjaro :cupid:, but the overscan is very important for me.

P.-S.: I’m 15 years old and I speak French, I’m French. I’m passionate about Linux, but not a programming whiz (that’ll come…).

I’m not a Yohanan, but I’ll ask myself a question.
What to do with applications that only support xorg/xwayland? for example matlab or vmware workstation ?
I would also like to give up xorg, but I wouldn’t throw it away, at most make it optional.

I take it you mean the move to Wayland. :wink:

X11 is being phased out, and the future for Plasma is on Wayland. It has already been the default display server for Plasma and GNOME for quite some time now.

However, not all applications support Wayland yet, and most notably those applications that aren’t specific to Plasma or GNOME — which includes most of the applications included with a typical Xfce install.

Furthermore, some people with Nvidia hardware are forced to use the older Nvidia drivers, and those don’t work well (if at all) with Wayland. So for those people it is good to have the option of X11 as the display server still available.

That said, if you are certain that absolutely nothing in your system still requires or depends on X11, then you should be able to remove it entirely. But unless you know your system in and out, I do not recommend it.

Your English is good enough. :+1: :wink:

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The XWayland Video Bridge. This is what fedora does.

Well… it’s not me, it’s googhell translate:

addons(dot)mozilla(dot)org/fr/firefox/addon/traduzir-paginas-web/

Discourse does not yet allow me to post links/images

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Utility to allow streaming Wayland windows to X applications /
This is not something that will allow applications to run through xwayland without xorg

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Ahhh…I’m just a noob learning. Maybe this is why I can’t launch rocket league with heroic? Too bad. Xorg has no future, so…

Stick around — you’ll soon have the ability to do so. :wink:

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Thanks.
Otherwise, will the Manjaro devs soon follow the path of those of Fedora for the wayland-only @philm ? If not, why?

Besides, should I talk about it elsewhere than in this thread?

No, Manjaro does not follow RedHat/Fedora. We follow Arch, and most of our packages are imported directly from Arch without modification.

For some packages, we do apply modifications — e.g. we build our own kernels — and we also have a relatively small number of custom packages which are specific to Manjaro and which are not available in Arch itself, albeit that Arch users can of course get those from the AUR if they so wish.

Yes, perhaps that would be best. We don’t want to derail the thread. :wink:

It’s interesting to note that only Nvidia (generally) has any difficulty with overscan; especially on older Macbooks, and similar. I recall many (if not all) Nvidia cards typically had a 3cm black border around everything in console mode (while booting) until handoff to the OS.

Hint:- `https://addons.mozilla.org`

:point_up_2: This allows others to easily copy/paste the url if they wish.

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Ah, no, I define overscan. In fact my laptop has thick borders around the screen, it’s not practical for watching films together for example.

horizontal cut of my laptop screen:

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🙁                        😀                        😀                             🙁

This is why I want overscan…
The normal plasma session allows you to do this, but for aesthetic regions, I would like the manjaro kde SDDM to take advantage of it. This is the case on fedora, but fedora is not rolling…

Another good thing with manjaro would be a ready to use mobile plasma iso.
But that’s another story…

I hope this won’t happen at least until there’s a way to re-allocate mouse buttons like there is with Xorg. Every now and then I search for tutorials on how to do this for Wayland and every time I fail to find anything useful, so I assume it still isn’t possible.

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My casual reading at KDE Planet and KDE News is that the work is being done on Wayland and not X. Fedora always seemed to be pushing the limits, which is why I don’t use it. Manjaro seems to be a bit more cautious.

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It’s an avant-garde distro, their page clearly says “for those who want to work with the latest technologies”. Opposite of Debian :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:.

Being on the stable branch will be more problematic for using the AUR

Yes updates are on the users but you can have stuff that can’t end in Fedora repos for licensing issues

About security keys I guess you mean PGP/GPG keys, FAILED (unknown public key ) ==> ERROR: One or more PGP signatures could not be verified! I personally take it as a running joke, if you don’t care about them pass by default --skippgpcheck to makepkg or your AUR helper

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Fedora as the


Debian can be all kind of things,
one of them is to be pretty much on par with Arch
and may often be “in front of” Manjaro stable.
… if you use Sid - which is a rolling release.

Unlike Fedora - of which they say:

"Reliable

Each version is updated for approximately 13 months, and upgrades between versions are quick and easy."

You seem to not agree or confirm the last part of the sentence.

I don’t know it personally.

I suppose it will happen eventually;

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Welcome. However, I need to correct this impression you have of Manjaro or rolling distros being “you configure the system once and for all”.

Rolling distros are not magic. You have to put in the time to maintain them in order to keep them running indefinitely. Whenever there is a major new release of a desktop environment (DE), for instance, Gnome or Plasma, there is always a possibility of 3rd party extensions/widgets no longer working [yes, just like in Fedora], and if the changes inside the DE are significant, you may have to wipe your current configurations and reconfigure from scratch. This just happened in the transition from Plasma 5 to 6 – lots of posts and threads in this forum about the desktop crashing, having to clear existing configs. I think even the more recent transition from Plasma 6 to 6.1 was not so straightforward.

As a long-time multibooter who has upgraded my Fedora Gnome installation through version 21 to 39 [I will only upgrade to version 40 when 41 is out], I do find their upgrade path fairly reliable and maybe 90% flawless. It’s not 100% because occasionally you have to solve dependency conflicts before the version upgrade commands will go through [I upgrade through command line instead of the Gnome Software GUI].

Before each Fedora version upgrade, I switch theming back to the default adwaita and disable my 3rd party extensions. This is exactly the advice this forum gives its Plasma users. While the Gnome version upgrades in Manjaro may not have such drastic effects in recent times, it is inevitable that some 3rd party shell extensions will no longer work, since not every developer continues maintaining them. If you’re unlucky, some of the extensions you are using will be among these.

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i use X11 and everything works fine. what i do see,are a lot of threads with Wayland issues.
same with Pulseaudio and Pipewire.

there are options to chose whatever you prefer.

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