What is going on here every hour?

JohnML · 1 June 2026 08:51

As to be seen in sreenshot, something creates an empty folder every hour.

Pamac updates every 6 hours !

Did not look into journalctl at the moment … will do that later!

journalctl tells me:

[john1@manjaro ~]$ journalctl|grep -i  08:58
Mai 27 08:58:26 manjaro NetworkManager[1002]: <info>  [1779865106.1614] device (wlp0s20f3): set-hw-addr: set MAC address to CE:95:63:0C:C5:1F (scanning)
Mai 29 08:58:45 manjaro NetworkManager[929]: <info>  [1780037925.0794] device (wlp0s20f3): set-hw-addr: set MAC address to D6:4C:D2:80:2B:64 (scanning)
Mai 29 08:58:45 manjaro NetworkManager[929]: <info>  [1780037925.0941] device (wlp0s20f3): supplicant interface state: inactive -> disconnected
Mai 29 08:58:45 manjaro NetworkManager[929]: <info>  [1780037925.0942] device (p2p-dev-wlp0s20f3): supplicant management interface state: inactive -> disconnected
Mai 29 08:58:45 manjaro NetworkManager[929]: <info>  [1780037925.0994] device (wlp0s20f3): supplicant interface state: disconnected -> inactive
Mai 29 08:58:45 manjaro NetworkManager[929]: <info>  [1780037925.0994] device (p2p-dev-wlp0s20f3): supplicant management interface state: disconnected -> inactive
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]: pub   ed25519 2017-12-20 [SC] [verfällt: 2026-10-21]
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]:       0CADAACF70F64C654E131B3111675C743429DDEF
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]: uid        [vollständig] Massimiliano Torromeo <mtorromeo@archlinux.org>
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]: uid        [ unbekannt ] Massimiliano Torromeo <massimiliano.torromeo@gmail.com>
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]: sub   ed25519 2017-12-20 [A] [verfällt: 2026-10-21]
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102561]: sub   cv25519 2017-12-20 [E] [verfällt: 2026-10-21]
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Skipping key 0CADAACF70F64C654E131B3111675C743429DDEF with UID massimiliano.torromeo@gmail.com...
Jun 01 08:58:09 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Refreshing key 209A36D43CE2E87DA861FC58539DFD48135182EF with UID juergen@archlinux.org...
Jun 01 08:58:24 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102623]: pub   ed25519 2021-10-29 [SC] [verfällt: 2026-12-31]
Jun 01 08:58:24 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102623]:       209A36D43CE2E87DA861FC58539DFD48135182EF
Jun 01 08:58:24 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102623]: uid        [vollständig] Jürgen Hötzel (Arch Linux Developer Key) <juergen@archlinux.org>
Jun 01 08:58:24 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102623]: sub   cv25519 2021-10-29 [E] [verfällt: 2026-12-31]
Jun 01 08:58:24 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Refreshing key 25ACE777F62C5E5ACBF2C0474E532176DBAD6F47 with UID cbehan@archlinux.org...
Jun 01 08:58:39 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102689]: pub   ed25519 2021-10-25 [SC]
Jun 01 08:58:39 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102689]:       25ACE777F62C5E5ACBF2C0474E532176DBAD6F47
Jun 01 08:58:39 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102689]: uid        [vollständig] Connor Behan <cbehan@archlinux.org>
Jun 01 08:58:39 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102689]: sub   cv25519 2021-10-25 [E]
Jun 01 08:58:39 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Refreshing key 531ECF3644A44FEA0B47DBCDE1E3CF0539448BFF with UID ike.devolder@archlinux.org...
Jun 01 08:58:40 manjaro systemd[1]: Starting Pamac Daemon...
Jun 01 08:58:40 manjaro systemd[1]: Started Pamac Daemon.
Jun 01 08:58:43 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Deactivated successfully.
Jun 01 08:58:43 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Consumed 1.334s CPU time over 3.508s wall clock time, 55.5M memory peak.
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102753]: pub   ed25519 2021-10-30 [SC] [verfällt: 2028-12-31]
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102753]:       531ECF3644A44FEA0B47DBCDE1E3CF0539448BFF
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102753]: uid        [vollständig] Ike Devolder <ike.devolder@archlinux.org>
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1102753]: sub   cv25519 2021-10-30 [E] [verfällt: 2028-12-31]
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Skipping key 56C3E775E72B0C8B1C0C1BD0B5DB77409B11B601 with UID pgp@maximbaz.com...
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Skipping key 56C3E775E72B0C8B1C0C1BD0B5DB77409B11B601 with UID git@maximbaz.com...
Jun 01 08:58:54 manjaro archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync[1098442]: Refreshing key 56C3E775E72B0C8B1C0C1BD0B5DB77409B11B601 with UID maximbaz@archlinux.org...
[john1@manjaro ~]$ journalctl|grep -i  07:58
Jun 01 07:58:36 manjaro systemd[1]: Starting Pamac Daemon...
Jun 01 07:58:36 manjaro systemd[1]: Started Pamac Daemon.
Jun 01 07:58:39 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Deactivated successfully.
Jun 01 07:58:39 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Consumed 1.306s CPU time over 3.463s wall clock time, 55.4M memory peak.
[john1@manjaro ~]$ journalctl|grep -i  06:58
Jun 01 06:58:30 manjaro systemd[1]: Starting Pamac Daemon...
Jun 01 06:58:30 manjaro systemd[1]: Started Pamac Daemon.
Jun 01 06:58:35 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Deactivated successfully.
Jun 01 06:58:35 manjaro systemd[1]: pamac-daemon.service: Consumed 2.381s CPU time over 4.740s wall clock time, 68.4M memory peak.

.. but that explains nothing for me !

Any ideas ?

mbb · 1 June 2026 09:52

In preferences of pamac there is an option to download updates automatically. Do you have it on? I don’t know if it has something to do with that but try to turn it off.

linux-aarhus · 1 June 2026 09:57

There is a systemd unit archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.timer which will update Arch Linux keyring from time to time.

 $ cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.timer
[Unit]
Description=Refresh existing PGP keys of archlinux-keyring regularly

[Timer]
OnCalendar=weekly
Persistent=true
RandomizedDelaySec=1week

As for the folders in /var/cache/pacman/pkg it is a known issue

JohnML · 1 June 2026 10:18

.. turned it off … we’ll see !

nikgnomic · 1 June 2026 10:33

If it is not archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.timer it could be pamac-daemon.service from libpamac

$ cat /usr/lib/systemd/system/pamac-daemon.service
[Unit]
Description=Pamac Daemon

[Service]
Type=dbus
BusName=org.manjaro.pamac.daemon
ExecStart=/usr/bin/pamac-daemon

$ cat /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.manjaro.pamac.daemon.service
[D-BUS Service]
Name=org.manjaro.pamac.daemon
Exec=/usr/bin/pamac-daemon
User=root
SystemdService=pamac-daemon.service

JohnML · 1 June 2026 10:52

Last comment on Gitlab is 14 hours ago. I see these empty folders since january 2026.

Teo · 1 June 2026 13:38

To me it seems like those services (keyring or pamac update) fail because of a bad wifi signal or drop and reschedule and try to run after an hour.

Those folders are the typical pamac/pacman temporary download folders. And there is a bug and they are not always cleaned after, but the temp files in them are cleaned. So it’s generally normal except the frequency with wich they appear in you case. As said, probably interrupted update.
You can see in the log - wifi dis-reconnects and that trigger the update.

nikgnomic · 1 June 2026 14:45

JohnML · 1 June 2026 14:48

Your explanation is logic for my understanding , i’ll mark it tomorrow as solution, just to see what will happen tonight . When i look at an ongoing update i remember that gpg updates for example take usually lots of time .

I have a systemd-timer that “rm -rf /var/cache/pacman/pkg/download-*” every night and also cleans the cached directory.

Edit: one day later …

No new issues so i mark @Teo explanation as solution

system · 4 June 2026 14:49

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