The unmounted partition caused manjaro to refuse to turn on

[Xephon]

And tmpfs with 1777 option is also on that wiki page

[Aragorn]

@Teo

If tmpfs should not be in fstab or with 1777 option, maybe someone from the developer team should communicate it with the calamares team or customize it.

The calamares developers are unfortunately not amenable to advice from experienced users.

@philm added me to their Telegram group because he felt I could bring some useful experience to the table — he’s in there too — but they’ve made it very clear to me that they consider themselves smarter than myself, and I was asked to leave the group by its admin because he’s got some OCD-elitist issue about the channel being only for developers.

I do not have /tmp in my /etc/fstab, and it’s still being mounted at boot time. Therefore, it is unnecessary to add it to /etc/fstab.

systemd sets it up by itself. The only systemd-based distribution where it doesn’t is openSUSE, but they’ve done very strange things with their filesystem hierarchy, and it has become such a mess that they haven’t even bothered to clean it up anymore in years.

@Teo

A Team member saying that default configs are wrong is not exactly a confidence booster for new users. Leaves the impression nobody knows what the other one is doing and that absolutely nobody tests things before pushing them to production.

Those configs are not developed by Manjaro. calamares is an independent GNU/Linux installer used by many different distributions, among which EndeavourOS, Garuda, Artix, Chakra, OpenMandriva, Netrunner, Neon, Lubuntu, et al.

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@Xephon

And tmpfs with 1777 option is also on that wiki page

The permissions are correct, albeit unnecessary, given that tmpfs is a POSIX-compatible filesystem, and that only the permissions on the mountpoint need to be set to 1777, because the content of the filesystem will as such inherit the permissions from the parent directory, i.e. the mountpoint.

This is from my system…

[nx-74205:/dev/pts/3][/home/aragorn]
[aragorn] >  ls -l / | grep 'tmp'
drwxrwxrwt  21 root root  720 Sep 14 00:03 tmp

[nx-74205:/dev/pts/3][/home/aragorn]
[aragorn] >  mount | grep '/tmp'
tmpfs on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,nr_inodes=1048576,inode64)

[nx-74205:/dev/pts/3][/home/aragorn]
[aragorn] >  grep '/tmp' /etc/fstab

[nx-74205:/dev/pts/3][/home/aragorn]
[aragorn] > 

As you can see for yourself, it is not in my /etc/fstab, and yet it’s mounted with the proper permissions.

[craywolf]

@Aragorn

As you can see for yourself, it is not in my /etc/fstab, and yet it’s mounted with the proper permissions.

I believe the point is that OP is getting questions about why they have this weird setting, when they didn’t put it there, Manjaro did. It’s very confusing, if not maddening, for someone who needs help to be confronted with questions about why the default settings are there. Doubly so when the people asking are the supposed experts.

[Aragorn]

@craywolf

I believe the point is that OP is getting questions about why they have this weird setting, when they didn’t put it there, Manjaro did.

Not directly. The calamares developers did that.

Like I said, calamares is not a Manjaro creation, but we use it, just as most of the software in our repositories comes straight from Arch without any modification. We only test it for much longer than Arch proper does.

@craywolf

It’s very confusing, if not maddening, for someone who needs help to be confronted with questions about why the default settings are there. Doubly so when the people asking are the supposed experts.

The Manjaro community is made up of volunteers. We are not getting paid to offer assistance here, and none of us have proclaimed ourselves to be experts, although some of us do have much more experience than others.

Not to toot my own horn, but I have been exclusively running GNU/Linux on servers and workstations for over 24 years now and I’ve worked with proprietary UNIX systems in the 1990s — yes, I’m that old — but even I don’t know everything, and I’m not even a Manjaro developer, nor for that matter a calamares developer.

As I wrote higher up, @philm added me to the calamares developer channel on Telegram because he felt I could bring experience and knowledge to the table, but they asked me to leave again because I’m not “one of them”. So then what can we do, other than protest?

It’s not like I haven’t told the calamares developers that they were wrong in adding noatime to the entry for swap, or that /tmp is already mounted by systemd. I’ve told them all that, and repeatedly so. The problem is that they didn’t want to hear it from “an outsider”.

Humans…

[Xephon]

@Aragorn

Therefore, it is unnecessary to add it to /etc/fstab

If that record in fstab is unnecessary, may be someone could do something about that Manjaro wiki page… I don’t know… Edit it may be… Or is it also maintained by the calamares developers?

[Aragorn]

No, it is maintained by community members, but only a few of them have editing access to the Wiki, and not everyone is always available. In fact, it’s been a while since I’ve seen any of them around here.

Feel free to post a thread about it in the Wiki category, though. It’s actually all off-topic for this thread here.

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@Aragorn

Feel free to post a thread about it in the Wiki category, though. It’s actually all off-topic for this thread here.

Edit: There, I’ve done it myself…

Manjaro Wiki page about `/etc/fstab` needs corrections

Following the partly off-topic discussion starting around post #9 of the thread below… … it has been brought to the attention that the Wiki page on /etc/fstab needs some revision. Concretely, the page contains the following example of an /etc/fstab… # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass> LABEL=ESP /boot/efi vfat …

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I think this thread here has now run its course and may safely be closed.