System settings: Silly hover effect

Preliminary remark:

I do have no idea it this belongs into the section graphics or here!

System settings
→ Align window changer with window strip (translated with Deepl)
→ help text randomly appears and disappears.

See screencast: Nextcloud

Regards, Martin

Regards, Martin

I’m afraid I have no idea what you’re trying to describe, even after watching your video. There is insufficient supporting information; we usually expect system information (at the very least) to be provided in the form of inxi output (as described below).

Additionally, a more in depth description of your issue may help to allow others to more easily understand the problem.


Based on some of your other posts, I understand that your native language is German. You might be more comfortable posting in the German Language section of the forum, instead;


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I guess the issue he is trying to demonstrate is:
when the mouse pointer is hovered over a menu item, a describing help text appears
it is expected to stay visible as long as the mouse pointer is there
but instead it only briefly appears and then disappears, making it impossible to read

my guess …

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Yes i can reproduce it in the KWin script section. In English the description texts are shorter and the minimal size of the settings window is too big to get the texts shortened with the ellipsis, so i increased the font size.

Now, if i hover over such an entry with only partly visible description text using the touch pad but leaving my finger on the touchpad the tooltip displays correctly and stays on screen. However, i can get it also in the state where the tooltip constantly appears and disappears. Somehow one has to lift the finger from the touchpad in the right moment i reckon.

No idea though why this happens. Looks like a glitch. Maybe report it to KDE. Btw, my Plasma version is 6.4.5.

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if it is of any consolation - the issue is non-existent on Plasma 6.4.5 - thus you can write it of as intermittent - fixed with an upcoming update.

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Ouch.

I have Plasma 6.4.5 and can verify the same issue - the tooltip dies as soon as it appears.

Hold on, because I only installed this today - but I did also reboot to jump on the new kernel.

I just switched to my TEST user, no issue there. I then switched back…

The problem has now disappeared; so it’s more of a glitch maybe.

Update: comes and goes - I just saw it again, went in again, and had no tooltips. The effect for me is a recurring short term appearance, disappearance, then another flash a second later.

There could be a lot of reasons why only some are affected…

As I understood the issue manifest by navigating

  • System Settings
  • Window Management
  • KWin Scripts

I have checked - I have no flickering - perhaps because there is no tool tip on hovering the element in general ?

If I hover the question mark (tooltip text About appear)
If I hover the settings icon (tooltip text Configure appear)
If I hover the trash bin (tooltip Delete appear)

But there no flickering - at all.

My system uses a AMD 7900XTX dGPU - there is no iGPU - but the affected systems may have an iGPU or is using Nvidia - if that is the case it may be a driver issue.

Another possible factor is the branch for the affected system.

For clarification - this is the system info drawn from System Settings → About this System

Operating System: Manjaro Linux 
KDE Plasma Version: 6.4.5
KDE Frameworks Version: 6.18.0
Qt Version: 6.9.2
Kernel Version: 6.17.0-0-MANJARO (64-bit)
Graphics Platform: Wayland
Processors: 24 × AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5945WX 12-Cores
Memory: 128 GiB of RAM (125,6 GiB usable)
Graphics Processor: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX
Manufacturer: LENOVO
Product Name: 30E000GMMT
System Version: ThinkStation P620
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I’m also on 6.4.5 and i described of how to reproduce it. It’s only in the KWin Script section. You have to increase the font size such that the descriptions don’t fit into the box. If you have a mouse, i don’t know. I have a touch pad and the way to achieve it is to hover over an script item (with a shortened description) and lift the finger from the touch pad at the right time, whatever right means.

If I increase the general font size to 16pt and the and the small font size to 14pt I can create the behavior.

I cannot possibly guess what causes it - one idea is that the text does not fit into the designated area - but the KDE developers will know it better.

I see what you mean - I have filed a bug report with KDE developers (normally I don’t - but in this case I could verify the issue).

I don’t think it is a deal breaker - annoying - yes - I have given it Importance: minor. Feel free to verify at below link - add your own comments to the bug page - I think that is all we can do.

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=510102

EDIT:

This response to the issue is why I have the policy of not reporting bugs on other members behalf. The exception I made in this context is confirmation that I will never do it again.

Nate Graham <nate@kde.org> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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         Resolution|---                         |UNMAINTAINED
                 CC|                            |nate@kde.org
             Status|CONFIRMED                   |RESOLVED

--- Comment #3 from Nate Graham <nate@kde.org> ---
As the warning says, large fonts are not well supported. Please use the scaling
system in System Settings > Display & Monitor if you want to make stuff on the
screen significantly bigger than it is. The global font size settings are
really intended more for micro-adjustments and adapting to fonts that are
noticeably larger or smaller than others at the same point size.

Whether one agree or not - the KDE developers has written it off as nothing to bother with and I am not going to give this issue further attention.

I won’t go into any discussion whether or not that is correct - but anyone reading this can add their comment to the bug link provided above.

This is as close as it gets to a solution - have a nice day everyone :slight_smile:

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First one can easily conclude the font size isn’t really involved but only a way to make the description to occupy more space because as long as it fits on the screen there won’t be any tool tip on hovering. So one could change the localisation to get longer descriptions as well and this was what happened to the OP who has German localisation and not too large fonts.

On the other hand 16pt isn’t very large 48pt would be. I mean what a desktop environment if they only support up to maybe 12pt until it gets shaky and all the developers respond is ‘yeah you know fonts aren’t supported so much’ :slightly_smiling_face:

Whoops, you didn’t read it.

They said ‘use scaling instead’.

Ah, yes of course, I forgot to mention this pattern. One asks for one thing and they come up with something different. :frowning_face:

Sure, underworked and overpaid, just sitting around eating donuts and drinking coffee :roll_eyes:

I work as developer since almost 2 decades (being a mathematician originally) and i’m just tired of folks claiming to be developers but actually lacking essential skills. (Not saying they had to be able to do mathematical research but a bit of logical and consistent thinking wouldn’t harm.)

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