System hangs intermittently after upgrade

Hi!

A few weeks ago, I noticed that my system isn’t working as expected after a full upgrade.

I have some micro-hangs without any error/warning message.
I suspect it’s related to the windows manager only, because If I have music in background, I still hear it while the system is unresponsive.

I share some hardware details, but maybe you need something else.

I’ve already tried what it’s suggested in the related post “My system is hanging intermittently” but no success.

Thank you.

OS: Manjaro Linux x86_64 
Host: G5 5505 1.14.0 
Kernel: 5.15.114-2-MANJARO 
Uptime: 2 hours, 9 mins 
Packages: 1981 (pacman), 8 (flatpak), 7 (snap) 
Shell: zsh 5.9 
Resolution: 1920x1080 
DE: GNOME 44.1 
WM: Mutter 
WM Theme: CustomAccentColors 
Theme: Adwaita-maia-compact [GTK2/3] 
Icons: Papirus-Dark-Maia [GTK2/3] 
Terminal: gnome-terminal 
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics (12) @ 3.000GHz 
GPU: AMD ATI 08:00.0 Renoir 
GPU: AMD ATI Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT 
Memory: 4085MiB / 63671MiB 

System:
  Host:  Kernel: 5.15.114-2-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64
    Desktop: GNOME v: 44.1 Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: G5 5505 v: 1.14.0

CPU:
  Info: 6-core model: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics bits: 64

Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Navi 10 [Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT]
    driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-2: AMD Renoir driver: amdgpu v: kernel
  Device-3: Microdia Integrated_Webcam_HD driver: uvcvideo type: USB
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 with: Xwayland v: 23.1.1 driver: X:
    loaded: amdgpu unloaded: modesetting,radeon dri: radeonsi gpu: amdgpu
    resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.0.4 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM
    15.0.7 DRM 3.42 5.15.114-2-MANJARO)

There was recently problems with kernels 6+, amd, and mesa …
But I see you are using 5.15 …
Lets just see what update says:

sudo pacman -Syu

That was fast !

The system is fully upgraded.
When I first noticed this behavior, I started to check for updates almost every day just in case a new fix was available.

These are the only packages suggested to upgrade today

brave-browser-1.52.130-1  libpamac-11.5.5-2
             libpamac-flatpak-plugin-11.5.5-1  libpamac-snap-plugin-11.5.5-1

But what is the output of the command?
(please use pacman as typed, not pamac)
Some packages were rolled back recently.

Ok.
This is the result

$ sudo pacman -Syu                                                                                                                                                                                      
:: Sincronizando las bases de datos de los paquetes...
 core está actualizado
 extra está actualizado
 community está actualizado
 multilib está actualizado
:: Iniciando actualización completa del sistema...
advertencia: manjaro-hello: la versión instalada (0.7.0-6) es más nueva que extra (0.7.0-5)
 ...el sistema ya está actualizado.

OK … what I said sorta applies to hello … but its not the source of your problem.
(you can fix it by pointing at it: sudo pacman -Syu manjaro-hello)

Can you please give a full inxi:

inxi -Fazy

I did the trick with manjaro-hello to avoid the message, thank you.

This is the full output

$ inxi -Fazy                                                                                                                                                                                            [18:43:12]


System:
  Kernel: 5.15.114-2-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.1.1
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.15-x86_64
    root=UUID=f326045c-416b-4bac-aa3f-2b6b2c00bd39 rw quiet apparmor=1
    security=apparmor udev.log_priority=3 radeon.si_support=0
    amdgpu.si_support=1 amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff amdgpu.runpm=1
    amdgpu.dpm=1 ec_sys.write_support=1
  Desktop: GNOME v: 44.1 tk: GTK v: 3.24.37 wm: gnome-shell dm: GDM v: 44.1
    Distro: Manjaro Linux base: Arch Linux
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: G5 5505 v: 1.14.0
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 v: 1.14.0
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0DM13D v: A00 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: Dell
    v: 1.14.0 date: 11/30/2022
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 39.7 Wh (100.0%) condition: 39.7/51.0 Wh (77.9%)
    volts: 12.5 min: 11.4 model: SMP-ATL4.49 DELL PN1VN06 type: Li-poly
    serial: <filter> status: full
CPU:
  Info: model: AMD Ryzen 5 4600H with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    arch: Zen 2 gen: 3 level: v3 note: check built: 2020-22
    process: TSMC n7 (7nm) family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 0x60 (96) stepping: 1
    microcode: 0x8600106
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 6 tpc: 2 threads: 12 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 384 KiB desc: d-6x32 KiB; i-6x32 KiB L2: 3 MiB desc: 6x512 KiB L3: 8 MiB
    desc: 2x4 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 2070 high: 2946 min/max: 1400/3000 boost: enabled
    scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: ondemand cores: 1: 1739 2: 2232
    3: 1718 4: 1886 5: 2492 6: 2666 7: 1552 8: 1633 9: 1753 10: 1659 11: 2946
    12: 2574 bogomips: 71901
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT enabled with STIBP
    protection
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl and seccomp
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, IBPB: conditional, STIBP:
    always-on, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
  Type: srbds status: Not affected
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Navi 10 [Radeon RX 5600 OEM/5600 XT / 5700/5700 XT]
    vendor: Dell driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: RDNA-1 code: Navi-1x
    process: TSMC n7 (7nm) built: 2019-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16
    ports: active: none empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:731f
    class-ID: 0380
  Device-2: AMD Renoir vendor: Dell driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5
    code: Vega process: GF 14nm built: 2017-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s
    lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-2
    bus-ID: 08:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:1636 class-ID: 0300 temp: 62.0 C
  Device-3: Microdia Integrated_Webcam_HD driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 3-2:2 chip-ID: 0c45:671f
    class-ID: 0e02
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 with: Xwayland v: 23.1.1
    compositor: gnome-shell driver: X: loaded: amdgpu
    unloaded: modesetting,radeon alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: radeonsi
    gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x285mm (20.00x11.22")
    s-diag: 582mm (22.93")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 mapped: eDP model: Najing CEC Panda 0x0035 built: 2018
    res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 142 gamma: 1.2 size: 344x194mm (13.54x7.64")
    diag: 395mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9 modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 23.0.4 renderer: AMD Radeon Graphics (renoir LLVM
    15.0.7 DRM 3.42 5.15.114-2-MANJARO) direct-render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: AMD Navi 10 HDMI Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
    pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 03:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:ab38
    class-ID: 0403
  Device-2: AMD Renoir Radeon High Definition Audio vendor: Dell
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16
    link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s bus-ID: 08:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:1637
    class-ID: 0403
  Device-3: AMD ACP/ACP3X/ACP6x Audio Coprocessor vendor: Dell
    driver: snd_rn_pci_acp3x v: kernel alternate: snd_pci_acp3x,snd_pci_acp5x
    pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4 speed: 16 GT/s
    bus-ID: 08:00.5 chip-ID: 1022:15e2 class-ID: 0480
  Device-4: AMD Family 17h/19h HD Audio vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 link-max: gen: 4
    speed: 16 GT/s bus-ID: 08:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k5.15.114-2-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
    type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off with: a2jmidid status: off
    tools: cadence,jack_control,qjackctl
  Server-2: PipeWire v: 0.3.70 status: off with: pipewire-media-session
    status: active tools: pw-cli
  Server-3: PulseAudio v: 16.1 status: active with: 1: pulseaudio-alsa
    type: plugin 2: pulseaudio-jack type: module tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Dell
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 2000
    bus-ID: 05:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: enp5s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX200 vendor: Rivet Networks Killer driver: iwlwifi
    v: kernel pcie: gen: 2 speed: 5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 06:00.0
    chip-ID: 8086:2723 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlp6s0 state: up mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel AX200 Bluetooth driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 bus-ID: 3-3.1:4 chip-ID: 8087:0029
    class-ID: e001
  Report: rfkill ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: down bt-service: disabled
    rfk-block: hardware: no software: no address: see --recommends
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 1.14 TiB used: 729.48 GiB (62.3%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: SK Hynix model: BC511 NVMe 256GB
    size: 238.47 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s
    lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 11004101 temp: 54.9 C
    scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/nvme1n1 maj-min: 259:6 vendor: Western Digital
    model: WDS100T2B0C-00PXH0 size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 211210WD temp: 47.9 C scheme: MBR
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 195.36 GiB size: 191.24 GiB (97.89%)
    used: 126.31 GiB (66.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p5 maj-min: 259:5
  ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 150 MiB size: 146 MiB (97.33%)
    used: 93 MiB (63.7%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 59.0 C mobo: 43.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1959
  GPU: device: amdgpu temp: 62.0 C device: amdgpu temp: 61.0 C mem: 64.0 C
    fan: 65535 watts: 12.00
Info:
  Processes: 386 Uptime: 4h 19m wakeups: 2 Memory: available: 62.18 GiB
  used: 5.05 GiB (8.1%) Init: systemd v: 253 default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Compilers: gcc: 13.1.1 clang: 15.0.7 Packages: 1996 pm: pacman pkgs: 1981
  libs: 510 tools: gnome-software,octopi,pamac,yay pm: flatpak pkgs: 8 pm: snap
  pkgs: 7 Shell: Zsh v: 5.9 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.27

I’m rather doubtful any of these things are the culprit, but I’ll mention them nonetheless


You may want to create some SWAP.

Heres a quick guide for a swapfile:


I think you have BIOS updates.

I’ll try the BIOS update and I’ll come back with the results!

But about the SWAP, I think it isn’t required having 64GB of RAM. Or maybe I’m wrong?

Ostensibly it shoudnt really be needed if you never reach the limit of your memory … but with software like gnome its possible it expects it in some way.

Hi again and thank you for the support.

I’ve created a small 4GB Swap just in case, and updated the BIOS to 1.16.0.
But today I still experience these small hangs.

What else could be causing this issue?

After disabling some Gnome extensions, the problem got solved (climate, etc.).
I found it because gnome-shell was consuming too much RAM.

Thank you.

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