I’ve been testing pipewire for some time and almost everything works flawlessly, I wanted to switch to wireplumber for the session management rather than the default pipewire-media-session. I managed to install both of them, which doesn’t seem to be possible in Arch but you can do in Manjaro, there is a closed thread around this. This created another problem now where I wanted to remove the pipewire-media-session and only leave wireplumber, but as you can see from the output, pamac wants to go too far on this.
pamac remove pipewire-media-session
Preparing...
Checking dependencies...
Warning: bluedevil optionally requires pulseaudio-bluetooth: to connect to A2DP profile
Warning: kde-cli-tools optionally requires plasma-workspace: for kcmshell5
Warning: lib32-fluidsynth optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound support
Warning: phonon-qt5 optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio support
Warning: phonon-qt5-gstreamer optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio support
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-media-session: Default session manager
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-alsa: ALSA configuration
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-jack: JACK support
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-pulse: PulseAudio replacement
Warning: pipewire optionally requires gst-plugin-pipewire: GStreamer support
Warning: zoom optionally requires pulseaudio-alsa: audio via PulseAudio
To remove (26):
kget 21.08.2-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-pa 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
manjaro-bluetooth 20210928-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-nm 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
sddm-breath2-theme 1.0.18-5 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) community
kdeplasma-addons 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-desktop 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-wayland-session 5.22.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
manjaro-pipewire 20211001-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-jack 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pulseaudio-alsa 1:1.2.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-firewall 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-browser-integration 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
gst-plugin-pipewire 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kinfocenter 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-alsa 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
powerdevil 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pulseaudio-ctl 1.70-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) community
pipewire-pulse 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kgamma5 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
khotkeys 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
sddm-kcm 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
systemsettings 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-workspace 5.22.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kwin 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-media-session 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Total removed size: 146.1 MB
Apply transaction ? [y/N] N
Probably needs some review before Manjaro gets trendy for the wrong reasons.
I wanted to switch mostly as I have also problem with my bluetooth speaker, after being disconnected I can select it for the output but the audio keeps playing on the laptop speakers.
Sorry @Yochanan, I uninstalled wireplumber and tried to install it using pacman, but it doesn’t seem to get the conflict, maybe the packages are configured differently in Manjaro than Arch?
sudo pacman -Syu wireplumber
:: Synchronizing package databases...
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
:: Starting full system upgrade...
resolving dependencies...
looking for conflicting packages...
Packages (1) wireplumber-0.4.3-1
Total Installed Size: 1.82 MiB
:: Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
That is to be expected. You tell it to remove pipewire-media-session. Without this, having pipewire doesn’t make sense, so pipewire is also removed. Most (or all?) Desktop/Window managers have a hard dependency on pipewire, so they are removed as well.
What you should do is pamac install wireplumber which leads to the removal of pipewire-media-session:
# pamac install wireplumber
Preparing...
Choose optional dependencies for wireplumber:
1: wireplumber-docs: Documentation
Enter a selection (default=none):
Synchronisiere Paketdatenbanken...
Resolving dependencies...
Checking inter-conflicts...
To install (1):
wireplumber 0.4.5-2 extra 343.4 kB
To remove (1):
pipewire-media-session 1:0.4.1-1 (Conflicts With: wireplumber) extra
Total download size: 343.4 kB
Total installed size: 1.9 MB
Total removed size: 455.6 kB
Apply transaction ? [y/N]
Not sure what is wrong with my configuration but, I’m not getting any of the conflicts that you suggest.
I initially installed manjaro-pipewire with all the packages as you can see per the output
pamac search -i pipewire
manjaro-pipewire 20211001-1 extra
Manjaro meta package for complete PipeWire support.
gst-plugin-pipewire 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Multimedia graph framework - pipewire plugin
pipewire-zeroconf 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor - Zeroconf support
pipewire-pulse 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor - PulseAudio replacement
pipewire-media-session 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor - Session manager
pipewire-jack 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor - JACK support
pipewire-alsa 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor - ALSA configuration
pipewire 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Low-latency audio/video router and processor
I try to install wireplumber, having pipewire-media-session installed, but I don’t get any as you do and the install completes successfully
sudo pamac install wireplumber
Preparing...
Synchronizing package databases...
Resolving dependencies...
Checking inter-conflicts...
To install (1):
wireplumber 0.4.3-1 community
Total installed size: 1.9 MB
Apply transaction ? [y/N] y
Checking keyring... [1/1]
Checking integrity... [1/1]
Loading packages files... [1/1]
Checking file conflicts... [1/1]
Checking available disk space... [1/1]
Installing wireplumber (0.4.3-1)... [1/1]
Running post-transaction hooks...
Reloading system manager configuration... [1/2]
Arming ConditionNeedsUpdate... [2/2]
Transaction successfully finished.
Now I have both installed
pamac search -i wireplumber
wireplumber 0.4.3-1 community
Session / policy manager implementation for PipeWire
and if I try to remove the pipewire-media-session, pamac tries to remove my whole desktop, surely there must be something not configured properly to get something like this.
sudo pamac remove pipewire-media-session
Preparing...
Checking dependencies...
Warning: bluedevil optionally requires pulseaudio-bluetooth: to connect to A2DP profile
Warning: kde-cli-tools optionally requires plasma-workspace: for kcmshell5
Warning: lib32-fluidsynth optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio sound support
Warning: phonon-qt5 optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio support
Warning: phonon-qt5-gstreamer optionally requires pulseaudio: PulseAudio support
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-media-session: Default session manager
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-alsa: ALSA configuration
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-jack: JACK support
Warning: pipewire optionally requires pipewire-pulse: PulseAudio replacement
Warning: pipewire optionally requires gst-plugin-pipewire: GStreamer support
Warning: zoom optionally requires pulseaudio-alsa: audio via PulseAudio
To remove (26):
kget 21.08.2-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-pa 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
manjaro-bluetooth 20210928-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-nm 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
sddm-breath2-theme 1.0.18-5 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) community
kdeplasma-addons 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-desktop 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-wayland-session 5.22.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
manjaro-pipewire 20211001-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-jack 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pulseaudio-alsa 1:1.2.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-firewall 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-browser-integration 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
gst-plugin-pipewire 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kinfocenter 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-alsa 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
powerdevil 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pulseaudio-ctl 1.70-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) community
pipewire-pulse 1:0.3.38-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kgamma5 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
khotkeys 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
sddm-kcm 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
systemsettings 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
plasma-workspace 5.22.5-2 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
kwin 5.22.5-1 (Depends On: pipewire-media-session) extra
pipewire-media-session 1:0.3.38-1 extra
Total removed size: 146.1 MB
Apply transaction ? [y/N]
Sorry about the delay I didn’t had time to look into this until now.
Thanks for the help anyway, I’ll keep investigating to see what I can find
I put more details about the issue on the gitlab ticket, I will try to follow the issue there to avoid duplicating the content in both places, hopefully we can get to the bottom of it and post the solution here too
For what we were able to find, my packages for pipewire-media-session and wireplumber don’t seem to have any conflicts listed. I tried the same on another laptop and it worked without issues, conflict was raised and I can only install one of them.
For the moment I have a workaround even though it means I need to keep both packages installed. I’ll post it here in case someone else finds themselves in the same situation.
Well, if you need it immediately, you could switch to another TTY, use systemctl isolate multi-user.target to switch to runlevel 3, and then use your command which removes all of KDE. Afterward, install all missing packages again.
It depends on how “hard” gst depends on it, so it might work.
Thanks for the tip but I’ll rather wait for another update than risk breaking my KDE again. I just don’t get it that despite being regarded as one of the most stable distros, Manjaro frequently has such bumps when trying to do a simple update (about 3-4 times a year for me).
But then again I haven’t tried any other rolling release distros so can’t really compare.
Literally just had the exact same issue; somehow had both wireplumber and pipewire-media-session at the same time. What fixed it for me was doing an update with pacman, removing wireplumber with pamac, doing an update with pamac, then installing wireplumber with pacman in that order.
Didn’t manually remove pipewire-media-session at all, and removing wireplumber didn’t remove any other packages other than itself.
