[Stable Update] 2023-09-10 - Kernels, Systemd, Firefox, Thunderbird, LLVM

I’m a relative newbie to Manjaro. I used Mint before, but previous experience was mostly windows aside from my DEC/PDP/Vax work. Yes I’m also an oldie! :slight_smile:

I’ve had Manjaro installed on my Workstation for getting on for a year now. I’m gradually learning more and more, but only just summoned the courage to try this method of updating and its great and probably the best idea. I’ve not had a problem using the pamac gui up to now, but I only have two apps installed from the AUR, everything else is bog standard.

The problem is this. The main home page for Manjaro says this “It is user-friendly and suitable for those new to computers”

Those people do not understand cli, tty etc etc.

Those of us with that sort of experience and those with bag fulls of Linux experience have to remember that there are those who will only want to use Linux, as a desktop, with a GUI. If we say that they should not as they do not understand cli, tty etc. Then we are not promoting the use of Linux over that other dictatorial computer software that comes with most systems.

Flame off. Sorry.

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Yeah. This is OT for an update thread, but I’ll say this much: I think it is misleading to represent a rolling-release Linux distro as “suitable for those new to computers”. One look at the first thread on any stable release announcement should make that clear: references to the Arch forums, github, and command line instructions could easily overwhelm new computer users unless they were already technically adventurous.

I’m not sure Linux can ever be made truly newbie-friendly. Over the last 15-20 years, it has become much more widely usable by those who are able–and willing–to invest some time in learning about the complexity behind the GUI. But that complexity is a limit that not even money can overcome easily–see Windows, frustrated users of.

More conversation should probably be moved to the Member Hub.

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Yeah. Your right. Sorry for posting it here.

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