Semantics is thus.
But … how about I put it another way … the AUR is the closest you will get to a reasonable equivalent of ‘download the exe from a website’ - but provided by users.
It is compatible with Manjaro (more so if you know what you are doing) … but it is still ‘outside the jurisdiction’ so-to-speak. Making package management tools more able to handle them for end-users is not a bad thing in my opinion, though that is a hotly debated topic.
Help my position in the argument by learning WHAT THE AUR IS and how to use it.
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It is not supported, as in not officially supported. The Pamac description states exactly that.
Regarding the timeout issue, this is also relevant, as AUR helpers (including Pamac) are not officially supported by the AUR maintainers.
Agreed - as much as anti-manjaro spam will attempt to say otherwise … every single bit of software and documentation that touches it goes through leaps and bounds to point people to the upstream, makepkg, and the whole ‘unsupported’ mantra.
But hey - half the forum wouldnt exist if it werent for these persistently reoccurring queries.
@alven
In your own image we have:
Third Party
Community Maintained
Potention Risks and Problems
All AUR users Should be Familiar
Risks
And then a button you have to toggle …
Simply NO!
Oh, God! Probably I got it, please check it:
Pamac as single app/tool/instument supports interactions with AUR.
Manjaro team and Community are not supports any AUR-relataled issues, sometimes they could dive in it just as general interest of out-of-their-stuff issues, but it is out-of-Manjaro staff support: it is user, pamac developer, AUR package maintanter related issues.
Is that close to what we all are talking about?
If “yes” than consider do not cut “by the Manjaro team and Community” phrase after
and after not so clear enough
officcially
So support by (any app: pamac, yay, etc.) and by (Manjaro team and Community) are different things. That’s the point?
Community maintenance is synonymous to unofficial.
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Don’t mean to interject in the middle of an argument but can someone explain, from a technical perspective, why pamac occasionally fails to grab aur updates that are seen by yay and why loading development package updates on pamac is very, very slow (and also often misses some yay-visible devel updates)
I don’t have alot installed from the AUR but since the issues with search in Pamac I’ve been using pamac upgrade in the terminal and Google Chrome and and all the others have upgraded and are working just fine for me.
Any way to list only items I have installed or built from the AUR? I want to see if they can be replaced. Yesterday I had to do two sets of updates to grab everything that needed to be updated and I should have had to do that. It’s one thing to have to tell Pamac to search AUR instead of having it search AUR on each character typed, but another to have updates affected.
pamac list --foreign
Thanks looks like that does the same as pacman -Qqm. Some of what’s listed can’t be had any other way except for the AUR.
~ pamac list --foreign ✔
angrysearch 1.0.2-1 AUR 1.1 MB
base-devel-meta 2021.08.07-1 AUR
cpu-x 4.2.0.r179.gadaba75-1 AUR 3.5 MB
dotnet-host-bin 5.0.11.sdk402-1 AUR 598.7 kB
emby-server-beta 4.7.0.13-1 AUR 112.4 MB
hide-client 0.9.1-4 AUR 7.2 MB
i-nex 7.6.1-6 AUR 12.2 MB
komga 0.128.2-1 AUR 129.0 MB
libcpuid 0.5.1.r10.g7a580fd-1 AUR 184.5 kB
python-sgmllib 5.2.1-9 31.1 kB
python2-lxml 4.6.3-2 AUR 4.7 MB
python3-threaded_servers 2021.9-1 AUR 414.9 kB
radarr-nightly 4.0.0.5348-1 AUR 130.9 MB
renamemytvseries-qt-bin 2.1.6-1 AUR 8.7 MB
sonarr-develop 3.0.6.1355-1 AUR 33.6 MB
vdhcoapp 1.6.3-1 AUR 47.9 MB
youtube-dl-gui-git 1.7.0.r15.g9789d97-1 AUR 993.7 kB
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Based on this issue I additionally removed AUR from global search in GUI. This might have created some weird regression.
So why that move?
- Pamac is the most used AUR helper
- Manjaro seems to be the biggest user of Pamac
- As soon as you have AUR enabled, even just for fun, we did also search the AUR with every letter you typed
- With the newer 10.2 release series we also added auto-suggestions to the AUR
- This all resulted again into a DDOS, which brought the AUR down
Sadly we made 3rd party software “repositories” a first citizen in Manjaro and Pamac itself. Sure it is nice for the user to have a global search result on all major Software platforms at once. This is how we designed it. However, if a platform can’t handle our extra request rate we have to take action. Sometimes those can be more radical.
Requests within 6 hrs when AUR went down …
So either our user agent is totally blocked by the Arch Servers, which would mean Pamac for Manjaro won’t work with the AUR at all (other distros using Pamac, would still btw.) or we reduce the user experience in the graphical UI. You can still use Pamac as regular AUR helper in CLI mode, in which we didn’t change anything.
So follow this issue, be constructive and be sure that we work closely with AUR developers to get this sorted out.
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Again? This week? Please tell when it was if it was during
$ pamac --version
Pamac 10.2.2-5
and
$ pacman -Qi libpamac | grep Ver
Version : 11.1.3-1
Or that DDoS was before that versions?
Please read the issue report.
All I saw is:
Philip Müller @philm · 4 days ago
@grazzolini can you monitor AURWeb and keep us updated so we can see if our changes helped to lower the requests more drastically.
and
@grazzolini do you have an update on the usage is now? Seems our community gets “unhappy” since I additionally restricted easy AUR search in the graphical manager of Pamac …
No answers within the mentioned versions usage.
@Evernow if you have the answer, could you point it, please?
Pamac Version
10.2.0Libpamac Version
11.1.0
Does that answer your question?
If you’re confused, maybe you didn’t know this is the 2nd time this happened. The 1st time it happened was months ago.
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Will pamac support custom User-Agent for cli?
To fake which application is making requests and thus circumvent potential blocking or what?
Probably which would be extremely TACKY if even possible for Pamac.
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