No sound after first boot, working normal after reboot

flerken · 20 October 2021 12:58

Hi,

I have fully updated Manjaro with kernel 5.13.19-2 and maybe two weeks ago I noticed that on cold start I have no sound. The soundcard I use is Soundblaster Audigy.
After next reboot the sound works normal.
This is output of inxi -Fxxxza --no-host:

Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
           bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a170 class-ID: 0403
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           chip-ID: 10de:10f0 class-ID: 0403
           Device-3: Creative Labs CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] driver: N/A alternate: snd_emu10k1
           bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1102:0008 class-ID: 0401
           Device-4: C-Media USB Audio Device type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 1-6.1.4:13
           chip-ID: 0d8c:0012 class-ID: 0300
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.13.19-2-MANJARO running: yes
           Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.19 running: no
           Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes
           Sound Server-4: PipeWire v: 0.3.38 running: yes

I can see that there is no driver, but I’m unable to find out why and why only on first boot.
I first noticed this problem on kernel 5.14.10-1 and went back to 5.13, but it didn’t help.
What should I try next?

Thanks.

EDIT: After next boot the output is this:

 Device-3: Creative Labs CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] driver: snd_emu10k1 v: kernel bus-ID: 04:00.0
           chip-ID: 1102:0008 class-ID: 0401

Aragorn · 20 October 2021 13:16

Most likely it’s a hardware issue, i.e. the adapter is not found during a cold boot because it needs longer to get initialized. This may happen if the adapter ─ or another subsystem ─ is drawing too much power.

After a warm boot however, the power is already evenly distributed across the different power lines, and so the kernel will find the device and load a driver for it.

flerken · 20 October 2021 13:34

Thanks for response.
I’d agree with you if this behaviour would occur from the beginning.
But as I wrote, the installation has been working without a trouble for months and then it suddenly started misbehaving.

Aragorn · 20 October 2021 13:44

It could be a sign of a failing power supply then.

Keruskerfuerst · 20 October 2021 14:24

Can you post some more hardware info ?
inxi -Fza

flerken · 20 October 2021 18:59

But no other problems detected, GeForce 1070 working fine.

flerken · 20 October 2021 19:00

I can, the whole output or is sound related enough?

           Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
           bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a170 class-ID: 0403
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           chip-ID: 10de:10f0 class-ID: 0403
           Device-3: Creative Labs CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] driver: snd_emu10k1 v: kernel bus-ID: 04:00.0
           chip-ID: 1102:0008 class-ID: 0401
           Device-4: C-Media USB Audio Device type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 1-6.1.4:13
           chip-ID: 0d8c:0012 class-ID: 0300
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.13.19-2-MANJARO running: yes
           Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.19 running: no
           Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes
           Sound Server-4: PipeWire v: 0.3.38 running: yes

freggel.doe · 20 October 2021 20:41

That kernel is EOL you shoudld switch to an LTS one or latest stable 5.14.
Do you see the same behaviour when booting other kernels?

flerken · 21 October 2021 03:15

Yes, the same behaviour with 5.14.10-1
I thought that latest LTS kernel is 5.10.70-1, atleast that is what my system is telling me
Maybe I should try that one.

Keruskerfuerst · 21 October 2021 05:16

The complete output.

flerken · 21 October 2021 12:55

Thanks for your time, here you go:

System:    Kernel: 5.14.10-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.1.0
           parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/@/boot/vmlinuz-5.14-x86_64 root=UUID=fc1bddb2-b4f3-4e72-962d-e4bf086e35cd rw
           rootflags=subvol=@ quiet apparmor=1 security=apparmor resume=UUID=31917a26-25ad-4836-94f0-e74aa895f8c0
           udev.log_priority=3
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.22.5 tk: Qt 5.15.2 wm: kwin_x11 vt: 1 dm: SDDM Distro: Manjaro Linux base: Arch Linux
Machine:   Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: Z170 PRO GAMING v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: 1904
           date: 07/05/2016
CPU:       Info: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-6600K bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Skylake-S family: 6 model-id: 5E (94)
           stepping: 3 microcode: EA cache: L2: 6 MiB
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 28009
           Speed: 2577 MHz min/max: 800/3900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2577 2: 2566 3: 2590 4: 2918
           Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
           Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled
           Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT disabled
           Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
           Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
           Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
           Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling
           Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
           Type: tsx_async_abort mitigation: TSX disabled
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA GP104 [GeForce GTX 1070] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nvidia v: 470.63.01
           alternate: nouveau,nvidia_drm bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:1b81 class-ID: 0300
           Device-2: HTC (High Tech ) Vive type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 1-6.1.2:11 chip-ID: 0bb4:2c87 class-ID: 0e02
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.13 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: loaded: nvidia display-ID: :0 screens: 1
           Screen-1: 0 s-res: 7680x2160 s-dpi: 101 s-size: 1931x543mm (76.0x21.4") s-diag: 2006mm (79")
           Monitor-1: DVI-D-0 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 102 size: 480x268mm (18.9x10.6") diag: 550mm (21.6")
           Monitor-2: DP-0 res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 102 size: 477x268mm (18.8x10.6") diag: 547mm (21.5")
           Monitor-3: DP-2 res: 3840x2160 hz: 60 dpi: 161 size: 607x345mm (23.9x13.6") diag: 698mm (27.5")
           OpenGL: renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 470.63.01 direct render: Yes
Audio:     Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
           bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a170 class-ID: 0403
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           chip-ID: 10de:10f0 class-ID: 0403
           Device-3: Creative Labs CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] driver: snd_emu10k1 v: kernel bus-ID: 04:00.0
           chip-ID: 1102:0008 class-ID: 0401
           Device-4: C-Media USB Audio Device type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 1-6.1.4:13
           chip-ID: 0d8c:0012 class-ID: 0300
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.14.10-1-MANJARO running: yes
           Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.19 running: no
           Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes
           Sound Server-4: PipeWire v: 0.3.38 running: yes
Network:   Device-1: Intel Ethernet I219-V vendor: ASUSTeK driver: e1000e v: kernel port: N/A bus-ID: 00:1f.6
           chip-ID: 8086:15b8 class-ID: 0200
           IF: enp0s31f6 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 15.88 TiB used: 5.99 TiB (37.7%)
           SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
           ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Corsair model: Force MP510 size: 894.25 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
           logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: ECFM22.5 temp: 29.9 C scheme: GPT
           ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Samsung model: SSD 850 EVO 500GB size: 465.76 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
           logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: SSD serial: <filter> rev: 2B6Q scheme: MBR
           ID-3: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Seagate model: ST4000VN000-2AH166 size: 3.64 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B
           logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5980 serial: <filter> rev: SC60 scheme: GPT
           ID-4: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: Toshiba model: MG06ACA800E size: 7.28 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B
           logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> rev: 4304 scheme: GPT
           ID-5: /dev/sdd maj-min: 8:48 type: USB vendor: Western Digital model: WD My Passport 25E2 size: 3.64 TiB
           block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 4004 scheme: GPT
Partition: ID-1: / raw-size: 448.63 GiB size: 448.63 GiB (100.00%) used: 80.66 GiB (18.0%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda1
           maj-min: 8:1
           ID-2: /home raw-size: 448.63 GiB size: 448.63 GiB (100.00%) used: 80.66 GiB (18.0%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda1
           maj-min: 8:1
           ID-3: /var/log raw-size: 448.63 GiB size: 448.63 GiB (100.00%) used: 80.66 GiB (18.0%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sda1
           maj-min: 8:1
Swap:      Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default)
           ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 17.13 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C gpu: nvidia temp: 43 C
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 21%
Info:      Processes: 357 Uptime: 3m wakeups: 0 Memory: 15.57 GiB used: 4.04 GiB (25.9%) Init: systemd v: 249 tool: systemctl
           Compilers: gcc: 11.1.0 Packages: 1757 pacman: 1731 lib: 421 flatpak: 11 snap: 15 Shell: Zsh v: 5.8 default: Bash
           v: 5.1.8 running-in: konsole inxi: 3.3.07

Keruskerfuerst · 21 October 2021 13:36

@flerken
Can you try to install kernel 5.10 ?

flerken · 22 October 2021 12:09

I can and I did.
Seems like this worked ok, but I had to restart from the boot menu before actual login (I selected wrong option) so it was not exactly the same situation.
Will investigate further.
Thanks for your suggestions.

Keruskerfuerst · 22 October 2021 14:31

Then this might be a hardware failure.

flerken · 23 October 2021 05:02

Today I booted right into 5.10 and all is ok, driver for sound card is loaded.
Why do you conclude it’s a hardware failure then?
Wouldn’t it be an indication of software failure, bug in newer kernel?
Anyway, thanks for your cooperation, I’ll stay on 5.10 for the time being.

Keruskerfuerst · 23 October 2021 05:28

It can be a software or a hardware problem.

Software: kernel - driver for sound card not loaded
Hardware: mainboard - e.g.: PCIe not working correctly

Keruskerfuerst · 23 October 2021 06:57

The sound card itself can be defective.

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flerken · 1 November 2021 07:48

Hi, the problem isn’t solved at all.

flerken · 1 November 2021 07:50

And I believe it is a software problem, because the output of inxi -Fza shows, that driver isn’t loaded.
So here comes my next question:

How can I load driver for soundcard manually without reboot? Is it possible? Watch Device-3:

Audio:     Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
           bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a170 class-ID: 0403
           Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           chip-ID: 10de:10f0 class-ID: 0403
           Device-3: Creative Labs CA0108/CA10300 [Sound Blaster Audigy Series] driver: N/A bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1102:0008
           class-ID: 0401
           Device-4: C-Media USB Audio Device type: USB driver: hid-generic,snd-usb-audio,usbhid bus-ID: 1-6.1.4:13
           chip-ID: 0d8c:0012 class-ID: 0300
           Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.15.0-1-MANJARO running: yes
           Sound Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.19 running: no
           Sound Server-3: PulseAudio v: 15.0 running: yes
           Sound Server-4: PipeWire v: 0.3.38 running: yes