MSI Raider hybrid laptop becomes unusable with 570 nvidia drivers

[fumum_vendidi]

It seems that my year-long journey with Manjaro reaches a dead end with the update to Nvidia 570 drivers.

With the new drivers under X11, the computer becomes incredibly sluggish and unusable.

Under Wayland, my mobile GTX 1070 is not recognised at all, the computer only uses the Intel graphics and my connected main monitor is also not recognised.

If I set the kernel parameter nvidia_drm.modeset to 1 in GRUB, my system gets stuck during the boot process.

I have read a lot about the wayland issues on hybrid systems and tried out a lot of stuff, i.e. starting a wayland session manually from tty (in which case the nvidia card and the attached screen are detected) but nothing is really suitable for daily use.

I really have no idea what else I can do at this point. Perhaps the hardware is simply not suitable for this.

Does anyone have ideas on this?

[soundofthunder]

I don’t use Nvida so what follows is purely anecdotal.

If you have Plymouth enabled, this recent addition to Known Issues and Solutions might go some way toward working around your issue when using modesetting.

I say “might” – I’m unable to test it; but if it leads to even minor success, it might be worth trying.

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Relevance: Testing and Stable branches.

Please see the Stable Update 2025-03-24 announcement, under Known Issues and Solutions; specifically, the item System may hang during splash screen when Nvidia 570 drivers are used:

A lot of users with older Nvidia cards report system hanging on Plymouth splash screen after installing Nvidia 570 drivers. In the past we had issues with plymouth in general combined with Nvidia drivers. Therefore we didn’t update plymouth in our stable and testing branch.

See the linked item for a workaround.

Regards.

[linux-aarhus]

According to other threads on Nvidia - it seems the older cards has low priority from Nvidia.

Manjaro LInux as distribution has rolled to the release of Nvidia 570 driver.

The 550 driver has moved to AUR - and shus you will still be able to use them by adding the relevant kernel headers and dkms to your system.

 $ pamac search 550xx
opencl-nvidia-550xx  550.144.03-1                                                                                                                     AUR
    OpenCL implemention for NVIDIA, 550 branch
nvidia-550xx-utils  550.144.03-1                                                                                                                      AUR
    NVIDIA drivers utilities, 550 branch
nvidia-550xx-dkms  550.144.03-1                                                                                                                       AUR
    NVIDIA drivers - module sources, 550 branch
lib32-opencl-nvidia-550xx  550.144.03-1                                                                                                               AUR
    OpenCL implemention for NVIDIA (32-bit), 550 branch
lib32-nvidia-550xx-utils  550.144.03-1                                                                                                                AUR

[fumum_vendidi]

@soundofthunder

If you have Plymouth enabled, this recent addition to Known Issues and Solutions might go some way toward working around your issue when using modesetting.

Unfortunately, the behavior does not change without Plymouth.

@linux-aarhus

The 550 driver has moved to AUR - and shus you will still be able to use them by adding the relevant kernel headers and dkms to your system.

My current guess is that it is an unholy interaction between SDDM (which starts under X11), the new Nvidia drivers, Wayland and my hardware configuration.
Downgrading to the 550 drivers would certainly be an option. But maybe I’ll try Manjaro Gnome or finally have to look for another distribution.

First I’ll backup my data and will then try the behavior of different distros on my machine in the next few days.

[rakeshsingh]

@fumum_vendidi , my system running Xorg and XFCE has been unusable due to my external monitors appearing ‘stuck’ after the latest updates. I’ve tried CachyOS, Endeavor and Garuda with XFCE and KDE, and unfortunately experienced the same issues on all of them. I prefer Manjaro so I switched back using the ISO from December and have not updated. I have not tried any non-Arch based distro. Just in-case you wanted to try any of these

[linux-aarhus]

@rakeshsingh

I’ve tried CachyOS, Endeavor and Garuda with XFCE and KDE, and unfortunately experienced the same issues on all of them.

While that is not good - it is kind’a relief - that means that it is a Nvidia issue - they leave existing customers behind when moving on.

[fumum_vendidi]

I have to report that I have nuked my Manjaro KDE system and installed Manjaro GNOME from scratch on the MSI laptop.
Graphics was somehow quirky in the beginning (fullscreen flickering) but after some reboots it now runs Wayland with the 570 drivers like a charm.

That’s quite odd but I am happy now…

Update: Manjaro GNOME with Wayland kept on to be quirky with graphic-heavy applications in fullscreen mode. So I made the decision to re-install Manjaro KDE. My attached monitor is now detected and I can run X11-sessions and even Wayland sessions with 570 drivers without issues.
I believe that my former installation was somehow to old and misconfigured, so it was a good thing to re-install the whole system.