Well that’s really weird. I use Vivaldi as my primary browser so I use it everyday and it has not crashed in a very long time, I don’t remember when the last time it crashed.
As for the GUI, I also don’t like the default but it can be changed, I select compact mode which is much better in my opinion.
Much like manjaro in comparison to totally libre distros …
I would expect Icecat to possibly cause some problems for certain users who may wish to use, for example, DRM content or similar.
It may also be worth noting that icecat does the old mozilla thing with it including a mail client etc.
Its also based on long term support versions so, right now for example, they are on v115 while regular firefox users are on v135.
GNU was free software from even before the time of linux.
Many parts of your open source experience is comprised of, if not GNU tools explicitly (though that would be true), then tools based off of the work of GNU.
So … kinda like what any of us that wasnt trying to propagandize already thought.
It is better wording though.
And thats a plus so I guess the drama wasnt all bad.
Though I rather doubt that was among the benevolent aims of the regular wolf criers.
@Mr_Teatime @ydar
I decided to give Vivaldi another chance because I really like Vivaldi for Android, and you both said that the Linux version doesn’t crash for you. I configured the UI to my liking this time. It was running in Xwayland when it kept crashing, so I enabled native Wayland support, which seems to have solved the problem.
Some thoughts about, especially on forks:
https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1j140pg/yet_another_post_about_tos_but_different/
And more clarification:
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1j0n4un/comment/mfdas2h/
Firefox !
There is one simple and necessary solution to all of this: Remove Firefox from Manjaro default install and switch to (imo) LibreWolf.
Manjaro team should take a stand and make this happen next update.
Mozilla lost all credibility.
I’ve seen these kind of TOU changes a dozen times and they always follow the same pattern and have the same outcome, i.e.:
Take a stand Manjaro. Remove Firefox.
Am I right these changes will come into effect 2025/04/25?
Or have these been posted on Feb 26 and have already been in effect since 1 day prior?
When will they be in Firefox ESR?
Are they in the firefox-developer-edition already?
Firefox should state this as well (along with their reasons of course for the change, but this was said above).
On Reddit there is a discussion whether or not the ToU apply to community/distro-packaged or self-built versions of Ff. Anyone with a good insight into this from a legal standpoint, or are we here on “grayed out” grounds still and are yet to find out because there is no such verdicts yet?
I recall a time when virtually every distribution used the Ice-Cat branded Firefox. The general reason for many adopting Firefox (proper) escapes me (this will no doubt prompt someone to perform some research) but I seem to remember an article some years ago suggesting similar goals as one of them.
Motivations and goals tend to be rather fluid, however.
What a shame. This has happened over and over again with so many companies.
Seeing the recent hires in management positions, I have serious doubts about Firefox.
I still don’t understand why Mozilla needs a license to use information I type into web forms with their browser. If I type data into a web form, my local instance of Firefox should send that data directly to the website I’m browsing. That data should never go to Mozilla at all.
It was originally posted in announcements and later moved to notices by forum staff.
Which is better, if it should even be there.
The issue with it popping up on things like matray was because it was in Announcements, like where Update Announcements and other official news is posted.
Hi all, tell me who knows, if you sync Firefox between devices, these agreements apply? And should i stop syncing because my data is leaked?
No data is leaked, no data is sold. It’s all a misinterpretation of legalese… though they might let someone know 'we have 23 installations of Bitwarden for every 1000 installs` - it’s anonymous.
I was going to mention sync. This I would expect to be the reason for (part of) the agreements.
But the sync is supposed to be end-to-end encrypted, right? So, how and why would they care about my bookmarks?
i agree that firefox is no longer the thrustworty alternative and even the usability is breaking.
the financial interests to get money from meta/google is more important for them and this leads into this problematic situation. i was always very comfortable with firefox and no-script and adding ublock/umatrix was a good block for a lot of unwanted and harmful content.
but this is changing with the new firefox-agenda.
the main problem is what to use instead. librewolf ? brave ? vivaldi ?
the only conclusion is that firefox is no longer the browser to go for. sad that they sell their integrity for google’s money and throw the users under the bus.
from the annual financial report 2024:
“… Mozilla Corporation generated more than $500 million in revenue …As we look to the future, it’s clear that we need to continue to further diversify this economic model — both to create new revenue sources and new kinds of impact, … With this in mind we’re exploring privacy-respecting advertising technology — ads in Firefox and an industry platform that enables advertisers to show relevant ads…”
this is the most annoying intellectual bull$hit for a longer time now
privacy-respecting advertising
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