Manjaro to coexist with Debian11, boot from Grub, separate primary partition, via link in grub.cfg

Support
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Thanks to the support of and thorough discussion with Mr. Aragorn and other members, I have downloaded manjaro-kde-22.1.2-230518-linux61.iso and used the live ISO to boot using the executable extracted from ventoy-1.0.91-linux.tar.gz.

The OS has booted without any hardware clash report. Audio playback, Graphics, internet (via USB tethering with mobile] work like normal. But have not checked the other peripherals like Bluetooth, Wireless, etc. Should I check these peripherals too?

As mentioned in my earlier discussion, Manjaro has to co-exist in a separate primary partition, the other partitions having Debian11 and Knoppix9. Manjaro has to be booted from Grub installed with Debian11. Knoppix9 persistent ISO boots from Grub.

My first question is: Could I be directed to a webpage having a discussion on this issue? The Manjaro Forum portal has a few suggestions. One is:

I will peruse it. But is there any other pertinent page?

Next Question:
Does any other (edited later based on later interaction) WM accompany the installation ISO and install by default? I have become more comfortable with a WM (OpenBox pre-installed with Debian LXDE) and have been avoiding a desktop environment to save processor resources.

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If you update grub config from your Debian, i think it should auto detect any new linux OS on other partitions…
The only point of caution to take is that most Linux distro’s also install their own Grub, and thus might overwrite the grub loader in the ESP., the grub-configs are ofcourse safe because they are put on their root partitions…

That said, you could do without grub, by just using UEFI-Boot entries, see efibootmgr…

The name of the ISO you downloaded indicates it will install the KDE GUI (WM), so if you want a different one you should use a different ISO :wink:

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That depends on the ISO you download - but Openbox is not available with the Plasma ISO.

I used to maintain LXDE, LXQt and Openbox community editions - but for various personal reasons I don’t do much anymore.

Because I like the kwin wondow manger I build LXQt with kwin wm - from time to time.

Since you mention LXDE with Openbox window manager - I thought - heck why not build it.

So I did but without mhwd - to cut down ISO size - but it has all free drivers with the ISO.

You can download it from https://nix.dk - the osd is short for opensource drivers

You should know that GRUB is very picky when it comes to the grub configuration, so coexistance with e.g. Debian GRUB will likely not go well.

If you create the linking by hand - it may work.

:information_source:

Please be advised that the profiles for building these ISOs is not maintained - so they may have some peculiarities - you will have to fix them by yourself.

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and

Which is why I posted the question.

Some more inputs about efibootmgr please?

I was thinking: why not install without running Grub, then manually edit Debian’s grub.cfg to direct the boot loader to boot manjaro KDE Plasma?

and

I would edit my 1st post to rephrase it: any other WM than KDE GUI. I didn’t like LXDE or OB. May please my earlier post be perused. Which is why, following the conversation with Mr. Aragorn, I chose KDE Plasma.

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The easy way is to simply install Manjaro and let it handle GRUB - it will find your other systems and you will have no issue.

You specifically mention Debian grub - which is why I felt it necessary to inform you about potential issues.

The ISO I offered you is LXDE using Openbox.

What do you mean - you are in contradiction with yourself - are you looking for an ISO using only Openbox?

You can find an openbox ISO on nix.dk as well as the other mentioned ISOs

:information_source:

Please be advised that the profiles for building these ISOs is not maintained - so they may have some peculiarities - you will have to fix them by yourself.

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I am compelled to use LXDE and OpenBox in Debian11, not happy to use them, so the decision to change has been initiated.

No. The contradiction will vanish if my earlier complete line, reposted as follows, is carefully perused along with the indication contained therein:

My moot point:

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I understand english, danish, mostly norwegian and swedish, partly german but not academic - in any language.

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That application is used to modify the UEFI-Bootloader entries directly, see the manpage or simply execute it without any arguments to see what it shows for you :wink:

See also: Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki (section about efibootmgr)

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That’s not going to work, because Manjaro uses a customized version of GRUB, and Manjaro’s GRUB needs to be the one in control.

Given that you’re talking of primary partitions and limited hardware resources, I suspect that your system boots in legacy BIOS or BIOS emulation mode. As such, using efibootmgr isn’t going to be of much use to you, and quite frankly — no offense — I don’t think you possess the knowledge and/or experience to be messing with that.

Besides, even though booting the kernel directly from within the UEFI’s own bootmanager is possible, it is not advised to do this with a rolling-release distribution such as Manjaro, due to the frequent kernel updates.

My advice is that you would accept @linux-aarhus’ offer of using the OpenBox ISO and allowing Manjaro’s GRUB to be in charge of booting your system.

As for… :arrow_down:

Well, it would be wise to check that from within the live session if you plan on using it after installing. :man_shrugging:

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Ok, but a little elaboration please. Debian Grub is also fairly complicated. In the coming days I will diff the two concerned grub.cfg files to evaluate how difficult manjaro grub is in comparison to Debian grub. But some initial input would definitely help.
I have no issues letting manjaro grub have the 1st control. I could always, I assume, have the grub.cfg modified to have Debian and Knoppix lines included there.

No, not very very old or legacy. My laptop’s hardinfo report is attached. I would have liked to attach a text document, but I am not sure if a text file could be attached. So am compelled to post the hardinfo report herein, bloating the posting.


Computer
********


Summary
-------

-Computer-
Processor		: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz
Memory		: 3950MB (2640MB used)
Machine Type		: Notebook
Operating System		: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
User Name		: root (root)
Date/Time		: Mon 29 May 2023 07:28:20 AM IST
-Display-
Resolution		: 1366x768 pixels
OpenGL Renderer		: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2)
X11 Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
-Audio Devices-
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDMI
Audio Adapter		: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
-Input Devices-
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 Lid Switch
 Power Button
 Power Button
 Video Bus
 SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
 YSPRINGTECH USB OPTICAL MOUSE
 HP Wireless hotkeys
 PC Speaker
 HP WMI hotkeys
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:3
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:7
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:8
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:9
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:10
 HDA Digital PCBeep
 HDA Intel PCH Mic
 HDA Intel PCH Headphone
 HP Truevision HD: HP Truevision
-Printers-
No printers found

Display
-------

-Display-
Resolution		: 1366x768 pixels
Vendor		: The X.Org Foundation
Version		: 1.20.11
Current Display Name		: :0
-Monitors-
Monitor 0		: 1366x768 pixels
-OpenGL-
Vendor		: Intel Open Source Technology Center
Renderer		: Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400 (HSW GT2)
Version		: 3.0 Mesa 20.3.5
Direct Rendering		: Yes
-Extensions-
Composite
DAMAGE
DOUBLE-BUFFER
DPMS
DRI2
DRI3
GLX
Generic Event Extension
MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
MIT-SHM
Present
RANDR
RECORD
RENDER
SECURITY
SHAPE
SYNC
X-Resource
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-DGA
XFree86-VidModeExtension
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
XVideo
default screen number:    0

Devices
*******


Processor
---------

-Processors-
Package Information	
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz	0	0:0	1600.00 MHz	
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz	1	0:1	1600.00 MHz	
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz	2	0:0	1600.00 MHz	
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4005U CPU @ 1.70GHz	3	0:1	1600.00 MHz	

Memory
------

-Memory-
MemTotal	Total Memory	3950768 KiB	
MemFree	Free Memory	373996 KiB	
MemAvailable		847500 KiB	
Buffers		59448 KiB	
Cached		867476 KiB	
SwapCached	Cached Swap	92996 KiB	
Active		1524084 KiB	
Inactive		1768432 KiB	
Active(anon)		1129832 KiB	
Inactive(anon)		1508472 KiB	
Active(file)		394252 KiB	
Inactive(file)		259960 KiB	
Unevictable		17908 KiB	
Mlocked		64 KiB	
SwapTotal	Virtual Memory	19529724 KiB	
SwapFree	Free Virtual Memory	18675152 KiB	
Dirty		688 KiB	
Writeback		0 KiB	
AnonPages		2307948 KiB	
Mapped		377120 KiB	
Shmem		272688 KiB	
KReclaimable		52180 KiB	
Slab		125088 KiB	
SReclaimable		52180 KiB	
SUnreclaim		72908 KiB	
KernelStack		13344 KiB	
PageTables		38888 KiB	
NFS_Unstable		0 KiB	
Bounce		0 KiB	
WritebackTmp		0 KiB	
CommitLimit		21505108 KiB	
Committed_AS		8628856 KiB	
VmallocTotal		-1 KiB	
VmallocUsed		46356 KiB	
VmallocChunk		0 KiB	
Percpu		2960 KiB	
HardwareCorrupted		0 KiB	
AnonHugePages		206848 KiB	
ShmemHugePages		0 KiB	
ShmemPmdMapped		0 KiB	
FileHugePages		0 KiB	
FilePmdMapped		0 KiB	
HugePages_Total		0	
HugePages_Free		0	
HugePages_Rsvd		0	
HugePages_Surp		0	
Hugepagesize		2048 KiB	
Hugetlb		0 KiB	
DirectMap4k		269372 KiB	
DirectMap2M		3850240 KiB	
DirectMap1G		1048576 KiB	

PCI Devices
-----------

-PCI Devices-
Host bridge		: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT DRAM Controller (rev 0b)
VGA compatible controller		: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
Audio device		: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 0b)
Signal processing controller		: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Thermal Subsystem (rev 0b)
USB controller		: Intel Corporation 8 Series USB xHCI HC (rev 04) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
Communication controller		: Intel Corporation 8 Series HECI #0 (rev 04)
Audio device		: Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
PCI bridge		: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 1 (rev e4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
PCI bridge		: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 3 (rev e4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
PCI bridge		: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 5 (rev e4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
PCI bridge		: Intel Corporation 8 Series PCI Express Root Port 6 (rev e4) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])
ISA bridge		: Intel Corporation 8 Series LPC Controller (rev 04)
SATA controller		: Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
SMBus		: Intel Corporation 8 Series SMBus Controller (rev 04)
Signal processing controller		: Intel Corporation 8 Series Thermal (rev 04)
Ethernet controller		: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 07)
Display controller		: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] (rev 83)
Network controller		: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)

USB Devices
-----------

-USB Devices-
Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd HP Truevision HD
Broadcom Corp. BCM43142A0 Bluetooth 4.0
Xiaomi Inc. Mi/Redmi series (RNDIS)
Silicon Labs USB OPTICAL MOUSE
Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

Printers
--------

-Printers-
No printers found

Battery
-------

-Battery: BAT1-
State		: Charging
Capacity		: 90 / Normal
Battery Technology		: Li-ion
Manufacturer		: COMPAL
Model Number		: PABAS0241231
Serial Number		: 41167

Sensors
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-Sensors-
../../thermal_zone0/temp1	Temperature	27.80°C	
../../BAT1/in0	Voltage	16.66V	
../../thermal_zone2/temp1	Temperature	48.00°C	
coretemp/temp1	Temperature	55.00°C	
coretemp/temp2	Temperature	52.00°C	
coretemp/temp3	Temperature	50.00°C	
thermal/thermal_zone2	Temperature	48.00°C	
thermal/thermal_zone0	Temperature	27.80°C	
thermal/thermal_zone3	Temperature	54.05°C	
thermal/thermal_zone1	Temperature	20.00°C	
thermal/thermal_zone4	Temperature	54.00°C	

Input Devices
-------------

-Input Devices-
 AT Translated Set 2 keyboard
 Lid Switch
 Power Button
 Power Button
 Video Bus
 SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad
 YSPRINGTECH USB OPTICAL MOUSE
 HP Wireless hotkeys
 PC Speaker
 HP WMI hotkeys
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:3
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:7
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:8
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:9
 HDA Intel HDMI HDMI/DP,pcm:10
 HDA Digital PCBeep
 HDA Intel PCH Mic
 HDA Intel PCH Headphone
 HP Truevision HD: HP Truevision

Storage
-------


DMI
---

-Product-
Name		: HP Notebook (Hewlett-Packard, www.hp.com)
Family		: 103C_5335KV G=N L=CON B=HP (Hewlett-Packard, www.hp.com)
Vendor		: Hewlett-Packard (Hewlett-Packard, www.hp.com)
Version		: Type1ProductConfigId
-BIOS-
Date		: 03/24/2015
Vendor		: Insyde
Version		: F.02
-Board-
Name		: 80C4
Vendor		: Hewlett-Packard (Hewlett-Packard, www.hp.com)
Version		: 96.02
Serial Number		: PFEJDH31W8PJJ9
Asset Tag		: Type2 - Board Asset Tag
-Chassis-
Vendor		: Hewlett-Packard (Hewlett-Packard, www.hp.com)
Type		: [10] Notebook
Version		: Chassis Version
Serial Number		: Chassis Serial Number
Asset Tag		: Chassis Asset Tag

Memory SPD
----------

-SPD-
Please load the eeprom module to obtain information about memory SPD

Resources
---------

-I/O Ports-
<tt>0000-0cf7 </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:00
<tt>  0000-001f </tt>		: dma1
<tt>  0020-0021 </tt>		: pic1
<tt>  0040-0043 </tt>		: timer0
<tt>  0050-0053 </tt>		: timer1
<tt>  0060-0060 </tt>		: keyboard
<tt>  0062-0062 </tt>		: PNP0C09:00
<tt>    0062-0062 </tt>		: EC data
<tt>  0064-0064 </tt>		: keyboard
<tt>  0066-0066 </tt>		: PNP0C09:00
<tt>    0066-0066 </tt>		: EC cmd
<tt>  0070-0077 </tt>		: rtc0
<tt>  0080-008f </tt>		: dma page reg
<tt>  00a0-00a1 </tt>		: pic2
<tt>  00c0-00df </tt>		: dma2
<tt>  00f0-00ff </tt>		: fpu
<tt>  03c0-03df </tt>		: vga+
<tt>  0680-069f </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>0cf8-0cff </tt>		: PCI conf1
<tt>0d00-ffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:00
<tt>  164e-164f </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>  1800-18fe </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>    1800-1803 </tt>		: ACPI PM1a_EVT_BLK
<tt>    1804-1805 </tt>		: ACPI PM1a_CNT_BLK
<tt>    1808-180b </tt>		: ACPI PM_TMR
<tt>    1810-1815 </tt>		: ACPI CPU throttle
<tt>    1830-1833 </tt>		: iTCO_wdt.1.auto
<tt>      1830-1833 </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver
<tt>    1850-1850 </tt>		: ACPI PM2_CNT_BLK
<tt>    1854-1857 </tt>		: pnp 00:02
<tt>    1860-187f </tt>		: iTCO_wdt.1.auto
<tt>      1860-187f </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> Intel TCO WatchDog Timer Driver
<tt>    1880-189f </tt>		: ACPI GPE0_BLK
<tt>  2000-2fff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:01
<tt>  3000-3fff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:03
<tt>    3000-30ff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] (rev 83)
<tt>  4000-4fff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:02
<tt>    4000-40ff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 07)
<tt>  5000-503f </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
<tt>  5040-505f </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SMBus Controller (rev 04)
<tt>    5040-505f </tt>		: i801_smbus
<tt>  5060-507f </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    5060-507f </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  5080-5087 </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    5080-5087 </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  5088-508f </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    5088-508f </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  5090-5093 </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    5090-5093 </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  5094-5097 </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    5094-5097 </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  6000-6fff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:04
<tt>  fd60-fd63 </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>  ffff-ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>    ffff-ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:00
<tt>      ffff-ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:00
-Memory-
<tt>00000000-00000fff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>00001000-0009e7ff </tt>		: System RAM
<tt>0009e800-0009ffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>000a0000-000bffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:00
<tt>000c0000-000cfdff </tt>		: Video ROM
<tt>000e0000-000fffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>  000f0000-000fffff </tt>		: System ROM
<tt>00100000-9c10dfff </tt>		: System RAM
<tt>  8b200000-8be01e47 </tt>		: Kernel code
<tt>  8c000000-8c760fff </tt>		: Kernel rodata
<tt>  8c800000-8ca7a2bf </tt>		: Kernel data
<tt>  8d0a9000-8d5fffff </tt>		: Kernel bss
<tt>9c10e000-9cc8dfff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>9cc8e000-9cf8dfff </tt>		: ACPI Non-volatile Storage
<tt>9cf8e000-9cffdfff </tt>		: ACPI Tables
<tt>9cffe000-9cffefff </tt>		: System RAM
<tt>9cfff000-9f9fffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>  9cfff000-9cffffff </tt>		: MSFT0101:00
<tt>    9cfff000-9cffffff </tt>		: MSFT0101:00
<tt>  9da00000-9f9fffff </tt>		: Graphics Stolen Memory
<tt>9fa00000-feafffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:00
<tt>  9fa00000-9fa0ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>  9fa10000-9fa1ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>  9fb00000-9fcfffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:01
<tt>  9fd00000-9fefffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:01
<tt>  a0000000-afffffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:03
<tt>    a0000000-afffffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] (rev 83)
<tt>  b0000000-bfffffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
<tt>  c0000000-c03fffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
<tt>  c0400000-c04fffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:02
<tt>    c0400000-c0403fff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 07)
<tt>  c0500000-c05fffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:04
<tt>    c0500000-c0507fff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01)
<tt>      c0500000-c0507fff </tt>		: bcma-pci-bridge
<tt>  c0600000-c06fffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:03
<tt>    c0600000-c063ffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] (rev 83)
<tt>    c0640000-c065ffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] (rev 83)
<tt>  c0700000-c07fffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:02
<tt>    c0700000-c0700fff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 07)
<tt>      c0700000-c0700fff </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
<tt>  c0800000-c080ffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series USB xHCI HC (rev 04) (prog-if 30 [XHCI])
<tt>    c0800000-c080ffff </tt>		: xhci-hcd
<tt>  c0810000-c0817fff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Thermal Subsystem (rev 0b)
<tt>  c0818000-c081bfff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller (rev 0b)
<tt>    c0818000-c081bfff </tt>		: ICH HD audio
<tt>  c081c000-c081ffff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series HD Audio Controller (rev 04)
<tt>    c081c000-c081ffff </tt>		: ICH HD audio
<tt>  c0820000-c08200ff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SMBus Controller (rev 04)
<tt>  c0821000-c082101f </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series HECI #0 (rev 04)
<tt>    c0821000-c082101f </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> Intel(R) Management Engine Interface
<tt>  c0823000-c0823fff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series Thermal (rev 04)
<tt>    c0823000-c0823fff </tt>		: Intel PCH thermal driver
<tt>  c0824000-c08247ff </tt>		: <b><small>PCI</small></b>  Intel Corporation 8 Series SATA Controller 1 [AHCI mode] (rev 04) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
<tt>    c0824000-c08247ff </tt>		: <b><small>Module</small></b> AHCI SATA low-level driver
<tt>  c0900000-c0afffff </tt>		: PCI Bus 0000:04
<tt>  e0000000-efffffff </tt>		: PCI MMCONFIG 0000 [bus 00-ff]
<tt>    e0000000-efffffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>      e0000000-efffffff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>feb00000-feb03fff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>fec00000-fec00fff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>  fec00000-fec003ff </tt>		: IOAPIC 0
<tt>fed00000-fed003ff </tt>		: HPET 0
<tt>  fed00000-fed003ff </tt>		: PNP0103:00
<tt>fed10000-fed19fff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>  fed10000-fed17fff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>  fed18000-fed18fff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>  fed19000-fed19fff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>fed1c000-fed1ffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>  fed1c000-fed1ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>    fed1f410-fed1f414 </tt>		: iTCO_wdt.1.auto
<tt>      fed1f410-fed1f414 </tt>		: iTCO_wdt.1.auto iTCO_wdt.1.auto
<tt>    fed1f800-fed1f9ff </tt>		: intel-spi
<tt>fed20000-fed3ffff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>fed70000-fed70fff </tt>		: MSFT0101:00
<tt>fed90000-fed93fff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>fee00000-fee00fff </tt>		: Local APIC
<tt>  fee00000-fee00fff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>ff000000-ff000fff </tt>		: pnp 00:06
<tt>ff010000-ffffffff </tt>		: INT0800:00
<tt>  ffa00000-ffffffff </tt>		: Reserved
<tt>100000000-15f5fffff </tt>		: System RAM
<tt>15f600000-15fffffff </tt>		: RAM buffer
-DMA-
<tt> 4</tt>		: cascade

The system has VEFI which Doze used, but I have removed Doze and have installed a new HDD.

I use the legacy boot option as I am not conversant with VEFI boot.

I just want to keep things simple, within my comprehension.

No offence taken. I am aware and fully relaxed that I will remain a perpetual novice in computing related matters. Actually, I don’t want to unduly mess with systems. I just want to have a system and do my work, which is mostly text editing, watching videos and mathematical data processing.

I prefer a WM as I don’t want to waste system resources in undue ornamentation of my system so long as it remains functional.

We have already had a thorough conversation on OpenBox and LXDE. I won’t use OpenBox that isn’t under active development (as is LXDE). Like Debian LXDE comes packed with OpenBox WM, I expected KDE Fusion to have some WM packed with it, so that I could most of the time use the WM, only returning to full-fledged DE when special setting up demands it.

Yes, thought so. Thank you very much for responding to my messages.

11

There is no need. All you need to do — if it’s not enabled “out of the box” — is make sure your /etc/default/grub has the following line… :arrow_down:

GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false

… and then run… :arrow_down:

sudo update-grub

This will automatically detect all operating systems on your computer and will add them to the (Manjaro) GRUB boot menu.

By the standards of how rapidly computer technology evolves, that is old. Even my own desktop machine here is already 4 years old now — time flies :astonished: — and it’s got an 8th generation Intel i5 processor in it, while the 9th generation of Intel desktop processors was already out on the market for a few months when I bought it. Your machine on the other hand has a 4th generation Intel i3 processor, so that would make it at least 7 or 8 years old already.

In those days, UEFI systems were still mostly set up to boot in legacy BIOS emulation mode (CSM) by default, because such machines usually came pre-installed with Microsoft Windows 7, which didn’t have the requirement of Secure Boot yet that Windows 8.x introduced — I’m not even sure whether Windows 7 supported a native UEFI boot — I don’t do MS-Windows, sorry. :man_shrugging:

The fact that you have an MBR partition table suggests it to indeed be the case that your machine boots in legacy BIOS emulation mode. However, just to be sure, enter the following command in a terminal window and see for yourself… :arrow_down:

[ -d /sys/firmware/efi/efivars ] && echo "UEFI installation" || echo "Legacy BIOS installation"
12

Thank you, Mr. Aragorn, for posting a reply to my post.

I have manually checked. The directory efivars of “/sys/firmware/efi/efivars” doesn’t exist. The efi directory only has: acpi, dmi, memmap

I could have written a script file:

ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars > /dev/null 2>&1
if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then
    echo "EFI mode"
else
    echo "Non-EFI mode"
fi

But wasn’t necessary. I did it manually. With cd and ls. I try to keep issues simple.

But thank you. Your indication has reached home. Yes, my laptop has become old.

So let’s see what to do next. You have sowed a seed of confusion by suggesting another ISO after so much of detailed discussion in the earlier thread.

But please do keep in touch and keep providing inputs.

Your inputs are much appreciated.

13

Just use whatever ISO you’d like. Given the memory constraints of your system — 4 GiB of RAM is doable, albeit that you will need to create a swap device for such a machine; see below — I would advise against KDE Plasma and GNOME, or even XFCE. LXDE and LXQt are relatively low on resource requirements.

As for swap, you’ll need to create a dedicated swap partition upon installation, of at least the size of your RAM — or double that amount if you plan on hibernating the machine — or create a swap file of a similar size on the root filesystem later. A dedicated swap partition is generally preferred because then the kernel won’t need to pass through the filesystem layer in order to get to the raw blocks.

My own command as I gave it to you above is also a script, albeit in shorthand — it omits the if, else and then construct in favor of a logical “AND” (&&) and a logical “OR” (||), and there’s no need for an output redirect, nor for invoking any commands external to the shell. :wink:

14

Since 2008 I have been using swap 4 times the size of RAM. Now it has increased to 20GB.

Sir, my point was different. I searched the directory manually. I wanted to say that I try to keep things simple. Not to express my ability to write codes.

15

In other words, I was correct about your system booting in legacy BIOS mode. :stuck_out_tongue:

Well, with that in mind, let Manjaro’s GRUB be installed in the Master Boot Record, and enable the OS_PROBER as I stated in post #11. It will then detect your other distributions and add them to the GRUB menu. :wink:

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