Manjaro can not be installed on Lenovo-Yoga11

Hi @Alnone,

I highly doubt that it can not be done. However, just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should do it.

In this case, especially since

…nowadays that is very little RAM. I’ve heard that at least 8GB is recommended these days. And

…as far as I know, the Celerons were never the best processors, so that’s a second bottleneck, according to me.

So I’d suggest rather looking at, and considering one of the more lightweight community editions, especially since it seems you don’t have much, if anything to loose:

Hope it helps!

What DE are you trying to run? Xfce or Mate works fine with 4GB and integrated graphics; best install the minimal version and add what you need. Avoid transparencies and other eye candy and you should be good. In my experience Manjaro Xfce minimal is leaner than Mint’s Xfce.

With the weak integrated graphics of your processor I’d stay away from Gnome/KDE/Cinnamon.

Is secure boot disabled in the BIOS/UEFI?

This is the only option to Xfce4 that I can see:

@Mirdarthos actually suggested that you try:

On the Manjaro download page… scroll down, dude.

I don’t think it’s a performance issue. Obviously Manjaro gnome works on that hardware:

Maybe the used usb stick / ISO is corrupted?

System resources, or lack thereof, can certainly contribute. On the same system with additional RAM, and possibly an SSD, Gnome or KDE might install without issue; whether it would, or not, is not as obvious as you suggest.

However, the USB drive indeed could be a bottleneck of sorts; especially if it were only USB2; an even greater problem if it was borked somehow.

I would suggest the OP creates a VENTOY USB instead of writing an ISO to a USB; which can often not go as planned:

Boot with a Ventoy USB, and ISO files are automatically listed in the Ventoy menu, and can be booted directly. A 32GB (minimum) capacity USB should allow ample space to store several ISOs of your choice.

Ventoy is available from the official Manjaro extra repository:

sudo pacman -S ventoy

Type ventoy (without arguments) to see usage information:

Usage:  Ventoy2Disk.sh CMD [ OPTION ] /dev/sdX  
 CMD:  
  -i  install Ventoy to sdX (fails if disk already installed with Ventoy)  
  -I  force install Ventoy to sdX (no matter if installed or not)  
  -u  update Ventoy in sdX  
  -l  list Ventoy information in sdX  
  
 OPTION: (optional)  
  -r SIZE_MB  preserve some space at the bottom of the disk (only for install)  
  -s/-S       enable/disable secure boot support (default is enabled)  
  -g          use GPT partition style, default is MBR (only for install)  
  -L          Label of the 1st exfat partition (default is Ventoy)  
  -n          try non-destructive installation (only for install)

Write the Ventoy system to an empty USB drive;
use /dev/sdX to target the device itself, and not a partition:

sudo sh ventoy -i -r 100 -S -g -L VOLUME /dev/sdX
  • Substitute VOLUME for a volume label name to use.
  • Substitute /dev/sdX for the location of your USB device.
  • Preserve some space on the target device (example allows 100mb).

See also: Ventoy (GitHub);

According to the neofetch data in the linked thread the machine mentioned has 4GB of RAM also. If RAM was not upgraded presumably the stock harddrive (Toshiba MQ01ACF050 with 500 GB) wasn’t either.

Point being, each machine needs to be evaluated on a case by case basis. What may seem sufficient for one, may not be for another. Likely, the OP’s dilemma is a result of a combination of factors; system resources may play a part, just as much as other factors we might not be privy to, might contribute. I can assume without fact checking that the Toshiba drive is likely on the slower end of the spectrum, for example.

Aside:- 4GB (especially now) is generally insufficient RAM for most systems, whether it be Linux, Mac or Windows. That’s a given. 4GB might often be touted as enough to run [enter OS here] but in reality, is only the minimum required. I like to run software on top of any OS I use, which, depending on the requirements of that software, can invariably demand more resources.

Despite all that, it could simply be as you suggest, a borked USB. I guess we’ll wait and see what other useful information the OP can provide. Cheers.

I tried with another USB, I also changed to another ‘port’, no result, but now I try it on this other machine and it works correctly:

[alnone@alnone-inspiron3583 ~]$ inxi -v7azy
System:
  Kernel: 6.6.19-1-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.1
    clocksource: tsc avail: acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.6-x86_64
    root=UUID=b263f48a-8ada-4e3d-afe8-fdf74eab2e28 rw quiet splash apparmor=1
    security=apparmor udev.log_priority=3
  Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 wm: xfwm4 v: 4.18.0
    with: xfce4-panel tools: xfce4-screensaver vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0
    Distro: Manjaro base: Arch Linux
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 3583 v: N/A
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Dell model: 0WHCP7 v: A00 serial: <superuser required> part-nu: 08CA
    uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: Dell v: 1.5.1 date: 05/30/2019
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 39.9 Wh (100.0%) condition: 39.9/42.0 Wh (95.0%)
    volts: 12.7 min: 11.4 model: SMP DELL VM73283 type: Li-poly serial: <filter>
    status: full
Memory:
  System RAM: total: 8 GiB available: 7.63 GiB used: 1.77 GiB (23.2%)
  Message: For most reliable report, use superuser + dmidecode.
  Array-1: capacity: 32 GiB slots: 2 modules: 1 EC: None
    max-module-size: 16 GiB note: est.
  Device-1: DIMM A type: no module installed
  Device-2: DIMM B type: DDR4 detail: synchronous size: 8 GiB speed:
    spec: 2667 MT/s actual: 2400 MT/s volts: note: check curr: 1 min: 1 max: 1
    width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: 80AD000080AD
    part-no: HMA81GS6JJR8N-VK serial: <filter>
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i5-8265U bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    arch: Comet/Whiskey Lake note: check gen: core 8 level: v3 note: check
    built: 2018 process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x8E (142)
    stepping: 0xC (12) microcode: 0xF8
  Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 4 tpc: 2 threads: 8 smt: enabled cache:
    L1: 256 KiB desc: d-4x32 KiB; i-4x32 KiB L2: 1024 KiB desc: 4x256 KiB
    L3: 6 MiB desc: 1x6 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 551 high: 810 min/max: 400/3900 scaling:
    driver: intel_pstate governor: powersave cores: 1: 800 2: 400 3: 800 4: 400
    5: 400 6: 810 7: 400 8: 400 bogomips: 28808
  Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat
    arch_capabilities arch_perfmon art avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 bts clflush
    clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64
    dtherm dts epb ept ept_ad erms est f16c flexpriority flush_l1d fma fpu
    fsgsbase fxsr ht hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_notify ibpb ibrs
    ibrs_enhanced ida intel_pt invpcid lahf_lm lm mca mce md_clear mmx monitor
    movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm
    pdpe1gb pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp
    rep_good sdbg sep smap smep ss ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp
    syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust tsc_deadline_timer vme vmx vnmi
    vpid x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling mitigation: Microcode
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
  Type: l1tf status: Not affected
  Type: mds status: Not affected
  Type: meltdown status: Not affected
  Type: mmio_stale_data mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: retbleed mitigation: Enhanced IBRS
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced / Automatic IBRS, IBPB: conditional,
    RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS: SW sequence
  Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel WhiskeyLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics 620] vendor: Dell
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20
    ports: active: eDP-1 empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:3ea0
    class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Realtek Integrated_Webcam_HD driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 1-6:3 chip-ID: 0bda:5520
    class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
  Display: x11 server: X.org v: 1.21.1.11 compositor: xfwm4 v: 4.18.0 driver:
    X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915
    display-ID: :0.0 note: <missing: xdpyinfo/xrandr>
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: AU Optronics 0x10ec built: 2017 res: 1366x768
    dpi: 101 gamma: 1.2 size: 344x193mm (13.54x7.6") diag: 394mm (15.5")
    ratio: 16:9 modes: 1366x768
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris platforms: device: 0 drv: iris
    device: 1 drv: swrast surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris
    inactive: gbm,wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.0.2-manjaro1.1
    glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 (WHL GT2)
    device-ID: 8086:3ea0 memory: 7.45 GiB unified: yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Cannon Point-LP High Definition Audio vendor: Dell
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel alternate: snd_soc_skl,snd_sof_pci_intel_cnl
    bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9dc8 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.6.19-1-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
    type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: N/A
  Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.0.3 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
    status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
    tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet vendor: Dell
    driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: 3000
    bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8136 class-ID: 0200
  IF: enp1s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
    broadcast: <filter>
  IP v6: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
  IP v6: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
  IP v6: <filter> type: noprefixroute scope: link
  Info: services: NetworkManager
  WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 245.83 GiB used: 16.47 GiB (6.7%)
  SMART Message: Required tool smartctl not installed. Check --recommends
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Western Digital
    model: PC SN520 NVMe WDC 256GB size: 238.47 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
    logical: 512 B speed: 15.8 Gb/s lanes: 2 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
    fw-rev: 20200012 temp: 44.9 C scheme: GPT
  ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: SanDisk model: Cruzer Glide
    size: 7.36 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: USB rev: 2.0
    spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: N/A serial: <filter> fw-rev: 1.27
    scheme: MBR
  Message: No optical or floppy data found.
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 42.87 GiB size: 41.9 GiB (97.74%) used: 16.45 GiB (39.3%)
    fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p7 maj-min: 259:7 label: Manjaro
    uuid: b263f48a-8ada-4e3d-afe8-fdf74eab2e28
  ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 1.43 GiB size: 1.43 GiB (99.80%)
    used: 22.4 MiB (1.5%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1 label: N/A
    uuid: 6693-9A38
Swap:
  Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default) zswap: yes
    compressor: zstd max-pool: 20%
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.42 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2 label: N/A
    uuid: 73e9a0ff-1e34-4792-8aab-b1eda8c17f07
Unmounted:
  ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1p3 maj-min: 259:3 size: 39.58 GiB fs: ext4 label: rootMX21
    uuid: 18dde8e5-0707-421f-ba5a-551a6863f412
  ID-2: /dev/nvme0n1p4 maj-min: 259:4 size: 45.48 GiB fs: ext4
    label: rootMX23 uuid: 10236dfd-8fba-48f5-b7cf-27aa1df5a9e7
  ID-3: /dev/nvme0n1p5 maj-min: 259:5 size: 48.48 GiB fs: ext4
    label: Debian-12 uuid: 6f8314ff-48e4-4afb-9402-adea4bcaba17
  ID-4: /dev/nvme0n1p6 maj-min: 259:6 size: 59.21 GiB fs: ext4
    label: LinuxMint uuid: 7b468763-5ba5-4aff-b6e7-727f96db1283
  ID-5: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 size: 3.52 GiB fs: iso9660
  ID-6: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 size: 4 MiB fs: vfat label: MISO_EFI
    uuid: AC16-6392
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 12 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-2:2 info: Areson Corp 2.4G Receiver type: keyboard,mouse
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 1.1 speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s)
    lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 power: 100mA chip-ID: 25a7:fa67 class-ID: 0301
  Device-2: 1-3:5 info: SanDisk Cruzer Glide type: mass storage
    driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s)
    lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 power: 200mA chip-ID: 0781:5575 class-ID: 0806
    serial: <filter>
  Device-3: 1-6:3 info: Realtek Integrated_Webcam_HD type: video
    driver: uvcvideo interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1
    mode: 2.0 power: 500mA chip-ID: 0bda:5520 class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter>
  Device-4: 1-8:4 info: Elan Micro Touchscreen type: HID
    driver: hid-multitouch,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0
    speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 power: 100mA
    chip-ID: 04f3:24dd class-ID: 0300
  Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 6 rev: 3.1
    speed: 10 Gb/s (1.16 GiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-2x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
    class-ID: 0900
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 44.0 C pch: 43.0 C mobo: 37.0 C
  Fan Speeds (rpm): cpu: 0
Info:
  Processes: 245 Power: uptime: 9m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep
    avail: s2idle wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown, reboot,
    suspend, test_resume image: 3.04 GiB services: upowerd,xfce4-power-manager
    Init: systemd v: 255 default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Packages: pm: pacman pkgs: 1193 libs: 385 tools: octopi,pamac,yay
    pm: flatpak pkgs: 0 Compilers: clang: 16.0.6 gcc: 13.2.1 Shell: Bash
    v: 5.2.26 running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.33
[alnone@alnone-inspiron3583 ~]$

This other machine with 8GB of RAM may have been beneficial. You might consider (as @Mirdarthos previously suggested) opting for a more lightweight distribution for the Thinkpad. It doesn’t strictly need to be XFCE, does it?

It was:

Samsung model: MZNTY128HDHP-000L1
type: SSD

Hit ‘Download’ and you get:

2024-03-10_18-26

I was going to suggest this - the minimal installs and works fine in a VM with 4GB alotted RAM.

Note that the “minimal” there only refers to the number of packages that come preinstalled, if I’m not mistaken.

Hence my suggestion of a lightweight community edition.

There are people with visual difficulties, the font configuration in my sisyema is very large, the ‘min-max’ option does not appear, it is covered up … – … someone should fix that format, whatever …
Thanks 6x12, for the graphic … I’m just downloading it, maybe that’s all …

Hmm - I don’t know the boot process of the live iso - could be that it is loaded to RAM and started from there - then things get tight.

That is true, yes.

I have no idea about the Live environments, but my Linux, with Plasma, after startup uses ±2GB Ram. But it’s heavily optimized for me. The Live environment has to be a lot more generic and as such probably uses quite a bit more.

I think that (basically a calamares issue) might be it. We had similar discussions before and it was mentioned that older (and smaller) iso worked when the later ones didn’t. I also think some architect/iso-tools install might work too.
As to how much ram one can work with; it depends on the user, I remember talking to a guy here who said his pre 2010 runs fine on 2GB. For surfing with a couple of open tabs and playing music xfce never goes above 2GB.

The same story as before …

… opting for a more lightweight distribution for the Thinkpad. It doesn’t strictly need to be XFCE, does it?

*If there is a possibility to install Xfce4 later that would be fine with me, the space I have on that partition is 27GB – if this is possible please, which one do you recommend?. Thanks.

UEFI: LENOVO v: R0AET38W (1.21)     date: 01/21/2019

Consider updating UEFI/BIOS

Manjaro has 2 other versions of minimal ISOs for older systems

  • Minimal (linux61) with kernel 6.1
  • Minimal (linux515) with kernel 5.15

Manjaro 23.1 Vulcan released