Hello I am new to linux I was using windows for a long time with wsl
So after install Manjaro with gnome on pc startup some times it stuck on loading screen for long time and won’t open and some times take long time to show desktop after login and sometimes it works fine but with some delay
In installation I kept the default settings erase existing system with no swap ext4
any solution?
Welcome to the Manjaro Forum!
This could be an issue; if not now, likely in the future.
But to help, could you please post the output of inxi -zv8 (highlight the pasted text and click the </> button at the top of the reply window).
Do you have quiet and splash in the CMDLINE= in /etc/default/grub ? If so I suggest removing those, so you can see messages on the screen during boot. These might give clues.
Cheers!
I just want to add, that he need to use this command after he removed quiet and splash from the grub file.
sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
Cheers, forgot that, was on the way out! 
Output of inxi -zv8
System:
Kernel: 6.9.12-3-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.1
clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.9-x86_64
root=UUID=ad816339-502a-47c5-bbf6-915e82beac56 rw quiet splash apparmor=1
security=apparmor udev.log_priority=3
Desktop: GNOME v: 46.4 tk: GTK v: 3.24.43 wm: gnome-shell
tools: gsd-screensaver-proxy dm: GDM v: 46.2 Distro: Manjaro
base: Arch Linux
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: Micro-Star product: GF63 Thin 9SC v: REV:1.0
serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Micro-Star model: MS-16R3 v: REV:1.0 serial: <superuser required>
part-nu: 16R3.1 uuid: <superuser required> UEFI: American Megatrends
v: E16R3IMS.108 date: 03/26/2020
Battery:
ID-1: BAT1 charge: 28.0 Wh (76.9%) condition: 36.4/51.3 Wh (70.9%)
volts: 11.6 min: 11.4 model: MSI Corp. MS-16R3 type: Li-ion serial: N/A
status: discharging
Memory:
System RAM: total: 16 GiB available: 15.46 GiB used: 2.56 GiB (16.6%)
Message: For most reliable report, use superuser + dmidecode.
Array-1: capacity: 32 GiB slots: 2 modules: 2 EC: None
max-module-size: 16 GiB note: est.
Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous size: 8 GiB
speed: 2667 MT/s volts: note: check curr: 1 min: 1 max: 1 width (bits):
data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: Samsung part-no: M471A1K43CB1-CTD
serial: <filter>
Device-2: ChannelB-DIMM0 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous size: 8 GiB
speed: 2667 MT/s volts: note: check curr: 1 min: 1 max: 1 width (bits):
data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: TeamGroup part-no: SD4-2666
serial: <filter>
PCI Slots:
Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
CPU:
Info: model: Intel Core i5-9300H bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Coffee Lake
gen: core 9 level: v3 note: check built: 2018 process: Intel 14nm family: 6
model-id: 0x9E (158) stepping: 0xD (13) microcode: 0x100
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 4 tpc: 2 threads: 8 smt: enabled cache:
L1: 256 KiB desc: d-4x32 KiB; i-4x32 KiB L2: 1024 KiB desc: 4x256 KiB
L3: 8 MiB desc: 1x8 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 800 high: 803 min/max: 800/4100 scaling:
driver: intel_pstate governor: powersave cores: 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800
5: 803 6: 800 7: 800 8: 800 bogomips: 38408
Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat
arch_capabilities arch_perfmon art avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 bts clflush
clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64
dtherm dts epb ept ept_ad erms est f16c flexpriority flush_l1d fma fpu
fsgsbase fxsr ht hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_notify ibpb ibrs
ibrs_enhanced ida intel_pt invpcid lahf_lm lm mca mce md_clear mmx
monitor movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq
pdcm pdpe1gb pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp
rep_good sdbg sep smap smep ss ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp
syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust tsc_deadline_timer vme vmx vnmi
vpid x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling mitigation: Microcode
Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
Type: l1tf status: Not affected
Type: mds status: Not affected
Type: meltdown status: Not affected
Type: mmio_stale_data mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: retbleed mitigation: Enhanced IBRS
Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
prctl
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced / Automatic IBRS; IBPB:
conditional; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: SW sequence; BHI: SW loop, KVM: SW
loop
Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel CoffeeLake-H GT2 [UHD Graphics 630] vendor: Micro-Star MSI
driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20
ports: active: eDP-1 empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1,HDMI-A-2 bus-ID: 00:02.0
chip-ID: 8086:3e9b class-ID: 0300
Device-2: NVIDIA TU117M [GeForce GTX 1650 Mobile / Max-Q]
vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nvidia v: 550.107.02
alternate: nouveau,nvidia_drm non-free: 550.xx+ status: current (as of
2024-06; EOL~2026-12-xx) arch: Turing code: TUxxx process: TSMC 12nm FF
built: 2018-2022 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 01:00.0
chip-ID: 10de:1f91 class-ID: 0302
Display: x11 server: X.org v: 1.21.1.13 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.2
compositor: gnome-shell driver: X: loaded: modesetting,nvidia
alternate: fbdev,nouveau,nv,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :1
note: <missing: xdpyinfo/xrandr>
Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: LG Display 0x05e5 built: 2018 res: 1920x1080
dpi: 142 gamma: 1.2 chroma: red: x: 0.592 y: 0.369 green: x: 0.349 y: 0.557
blue: x: 0.153 y: 0.110 white: x: 0.314 y: 0.329
size: 344x194mm (13.54x7.64") diag: 395mm (15.5") ratio: 16:9
modes: 1920x1080
API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris drv: nvidia platforms: device: 0
drv: nvidia device: 1 drv: iris device: 3 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris
surfaceless: drv: nvidia x11: drv: iris inactive: wayland,device-2
API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.1.6-arch1.1
glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 630 (CFL
GT2) device-ID: 8086:3e9b memory: 7.55 GiB unified: yes
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Cannon Lake PCH cAVS vendor: Micro-Star MSI
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel alternate: snd_soc_skl, snd_soc_avs,
snd_sof_pci_intel_cnl bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:a348 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.9.12-3-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: N/A
Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.2.2 status: active with: 1: pipewire-pulse
status: active 2: wireplumber status: active 3: pipewire-alsa type: plugin
tools: pactl,pw-cat,pw-cli,wpctl
Network:
Device-1: Intel Cannon Lake PCH CNVi WiFi driver: iwlwifi v: kernel
bus-ID: 00:14.3 chip-ID: 8086:a370 class-ID: 0280
IF: wlo1 state: up mac: <filter>
IP v4: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
broadcast: <filter>
IP v6: <filter> type: noprefixroute scope: link
Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s
lanes: 1 port: 3000 bus-ID: 03:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Info: services: NetworkManager, systemd-timesyncd, wpa_supplicant
WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Device-1: Intel Bluetooth 9460/9560 Jefferson Peak (JfP) driver: btusb
v: 0.8 type: USB rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 bus-ID: 1-14:2
chip-ID: 8087:0aaa class-ID: e001
Report: btmgmt ID: hci0 rfk-id: 2 state: down bt-service: enabled,running
rfk-block: hardware: no software: yes address: <filter> bt-v: 5.1 lmp-v: 10
status: discoverable: no pairing: no
Logical:
Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 1.03 TiB used: 11.49 GiB (1.1%)
SMART Message: Required tool smartctl not installed. Check --recommends
ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Kingston
model: RBUSNS8154P3128GJ size: 119.24 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
logical: 512 B speed: 15.8 Gb/s lanes: 2 tech: SSD serial: <filter>
fw-rev: E8FK11.C temp: 34.9 C scheme: GPT
ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Western Digital
model: WD10SPZX-17Z10T1 size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 4096 B
logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 5400 serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 1A04 scheme: GPT
Message: No optical or floppy data found.
Partition:
ID-1: / raw-size: 118.95 GiB size: 116.52 GiB (97.96%)
used: 11.49 GiB (9.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2
label: N/A uuid: ad816339-502a-47c5-bbf6-915e82beac56
ID-2: /boot/efi raw-size: 300 MiB size: 299.4 MiB (99.80%)
used: 296 KiB (0.1%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1 label: N/A
uuid: A723-26DC
Swap:
Alert: No swap data was found.
Unmounted:
ID-1: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 size: 128 MiB fs: <superuser required>
label: N/A uuid: N/A
ID-2: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 size: 931.39 GiB fs: ntfs label: Local Disk
uuid: EA9C91B59C917CAF
USB:
Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 16 rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 1-14:2 info: Intel Bluetooth 9460/9560 Jefferson Peak (JfP)
type: bluetooth driver: btusb interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0
speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 power: 100mA
chip-ID: 8087:0aaa class-ID: e001
Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 8 rev: 3.1
speed: 10 Gb/s (1.16 GiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-2x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
class-ID: 0900
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 38.0 C pch: 50.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
Packages: pm: pacman pkgs: 1141 libs: 312 tools: gnome-software,pamac
pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
Active pacman repo servers in: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
1: http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
2: https://manjaro.ynh.ovh/stable/$repo/$arch
3: http://ftp.free.org/mirrors/repo.manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch
4: https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
5: https://mirror.23m.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
6: https://mirrors.manjaro.org/repo/stable/$repo/$arch
7: https://cofractal-ewr.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
8: https://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
9: https://mirror.leitecastro.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
10: https://mirror.alpix.eu/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
11: https://mirror.zetup.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
12: https://mirrors.cicku.me/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
13: https://coresite.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
14: https://mirrors.ocf.berkeley.edu/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
15: https://mirrors.ucr.ac.cr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
16: https://manjaro.ipacct.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
17: https://volico.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
18: https://mirrors.ft.uam.es/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
19: https://nocix.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
20: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirrors/manjaro/repos/stable/$repo/$arch
21: https://fastmirror.pp.ua/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
22: http://mirror.datacenter.by/pub/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
23: https://mirror.xenyth.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
24: https://manjaro.kurdy.org/stable/$repo/$arch
25: https://ohioix.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
26: https://southfront.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
27: https://edgeuno-bog2.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
28: http://manjaro.grena.ge/stable/$repo/$arch
29: https://ftp.linux.org.tr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
30: https://ask4.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
31: https://mirrors.nic.cz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
32: https://ridgewireless.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
33: https://mirror.bouwhuis.network/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
34: https://mirror.freedif.org/Manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
35: https://mirror.it4i.cz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
36: https://irltoolkit.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
37: https://ipng.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
38: https://mirrors.xtom.de/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
39: https://forksystems.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
40: https://ftpmirror1.infania.net/mirror/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
41: http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch
42: https://nnenix.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
43: http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/Linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
44: https://codingflyboy.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
45: https://manjaro.mirror.garr.it/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
46: https://mirror.vinehost.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
47: https://mirror.netcologne.de/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
48: https://opencolo.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
49: https://mirrors2.manjaro.org/stable/$repo/$arch
50: https://uvermont.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
51: http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
52: http://mirror.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
53: https://mirror.ibakerserver.pt/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
54: https://mirror.futureweb.be/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
55: https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/repo.manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch
56: https://manjaro.mirrors.lavatech.top/stable/$repo/$arch
57: https://mirror.init7.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
58: https://mirror.easyname.at/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
59: http://mirror.terrahost.no/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
60: https://mirror.koddos.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
61: https://manjaro.mirror.wearetriple.com/stable/$repo/$arch
62: https://mirror.math.princeton.edu/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
63: https://mirror.dkm.cz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
64: http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
65: https://mirror1.sox.rs/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
66: https://mirror.alwyzon.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
67: https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
68: https://quantum-mirror.hu/mirrors/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
69: http://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
70: https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
71: https://mirror.telepoint.bg/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
72: https://mirrors.xtom.ee/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
73: https://mirrors.xtom.jp/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
74: https://manjaro.repo.cure.edu.uy/stable/$repo/$arch
75: https://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
76: http://kartolo.sby.datautama.net.id/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
77: https://ftp.psnc.pl/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
78: https://fosszone.csd.auth.gr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
79: https://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
80: https://mirrors.gigenet.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
81: https://manjaro.c3sl.ufpr.br/stable/$repo/$arch
82: https://mirrors.up.pt/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
83: https://ziply.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
84: https://mnvoip.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
85: http://mirror.xeonbd.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
86: https://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
87: https://mirror.truenetwork.ru/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
88: http://manjaro.mirror.ac.za/stable/$repo/$arch
89: https://mirror.2degrees.nz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
90: https://ba.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
91: https://muug.ca/mirror/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
92: https://mirror.funami.tech/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
93: https://repo.ialab.dsu.edu/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
94: http://manjaro.mirrors.uk2.net/stable/$repo/$arch
95: https://mirrors.sonic.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
96: https://manjarolinux-mirror.cloud.mu/stable/$repo/$arch
97: https://manjaro.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/stable/$repo/$arch
98: https://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
99: https://gsl-syd.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
100: https://mirror.kamtv.ru/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
101: https://mirror.kku.ac.th/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
102: https://mirrors.ustc.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
103: https://mirror.phoepsilonix.love/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
104: https://linorg.usp.br/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
105: https://mirror.archlinux.tw/Manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
106: https://mirror.ufam.edu.br/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
107: https://mirrors.tuna.tsinghua.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
108: https://mirror.ufro.cl/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
109: https://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
110: https://mirrors.jlu.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
111: https://mirror.nju.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
112: https://mirror.nyist.edu.cn/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
113: http://mirror.is.co.za/mirrors/manjaro.org/stable/$repo/$arch
114: https://ct.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
115: https://mirror.albony.xyz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
Processes:
CPU top: 5 of 277
1: cpu: 5.9% command: firefox pid: 3784 mem: 265.2 MiB (1.6%)
2: cpu: 1.9% command: gnome-terminal-server pid: 4231 mem: 63.7 MiB (0.4%)
3: cpu: 1.0% command: firefox pid: 2464 mem: 468.6 MiB (2.9%)
4: cpu: 0.7% command: firefox pid: 2701 mem: 360.5 MiB (2.2%)
5: cpu: 0.7% command: zsh pid: 4243 mem: 10.6 MiB (0.0%)
Memory top: 5 of 277
1: mem: 468.6 MiB (2.9%) command: firefox pid: 2464 cpu: 1.0%
2: mem: 360.5 MiB (2.2%) command: firefox pid: 2701 cpu: 0.7%
3: mem: 320.0 MiB (2.0%) command: gnome-shell pid: 1315 cpu: 0.3%
4: mem: 265.2 MiB (1.6%) command: firefox pid: 3784 cpu: 5.9%
5: mem: 135.4 MiB (0.8%) command: firefox pid: 2562 cpu: 0.0%
Info:
Processes: 277 Power: uptime: 4h 39m states: freeze,mem,disk suspend: deep
avail: s2idle wakeups: 1 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown, reboot,
suspend, test_resume image: 6.16 GiB services: gsd-power,
power-profiles-daemon, upowerd Init: systemd v: 256 default: graphical
tool: systemctl
Compilers: N/A Shell: Zsh v: 5.9 running-in: gnome-terminal inxi: 3.3.35
This is not a solution to your issue, but an observation, nonetheless.
Having no swap defined should not be considered a default setting – instead, you should select the option that best applies to you.
For example, if you know that you want to hibernate your machine, you would choose the option that creates swap space equal to the amount of your RAM, or if not intending to hibernate, choose the other option which only requires swap space equal to half the amount of your RAM.
If you have 32G+ of system RAM, less swap space may be needed generally (if you’re not intending to hibernate), but it’s still best to have some available; a swap file is also a valid option.
More and more (new users) lately seem to ignore it completely, perhaps due to not understanding that swap space may be needed even if it’s rarely used.