Latest update did not finish properly — lots of orphans, unusual behaviour

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:20

First, let me thank you, whoever is involved in the development of Manjaro OS, for your great work. I love it and have been using it exclusively for several years already.

This is the first time I’ve encountered any issue: the latest system update finished without any notice. I did it using Pamac’s GUI (“Add/remove software”) which usually results in a dialogue screen, often requesting a system restart. This time, after too short a process, the software centre window simply closed.

Things seem to work as intended, but when for an unrelated reason I was listing orphans on my laptop (pamac list -o) I was presented with a huge list of 99 entries. Seems way too many to me.

Is there any way to re-initiate this update process? GUI or CLI is both fine.

Also, when I eject a previously attached external device (hard drive, DVD, USB …) the icon will remain on the task bar, displaying the most recent device, even if I delete the list of recent devices from system settings. Could this be related, or is it a newly introduced feature?

Thank you in advance to everyone taking the time to read this and help me out!

BG405 · 14 December 2024 12:25

Hello and welcome to the Forum! I’d like to give you a tip:

It is preferred that you post text output rather than screenshots as this makes it searchable, amongst other things, so it’s best to copy the output, paste it here, highlight it and click the </> button at the top of the reply window.

Doing it this way puts it in a formatted text box, which is best for the Forum.

It will also be helpful if you post some system info, using e.g. inxi -zv8 following the method I just described above.

Cheers!

cscs · 14 December 2024 12:27

sudo pacman -Syu $(pacman -Qnq)

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:29

Thank you for your tips, much appreciated! I was considering pasting the entire list of found orphens but thought it might be too long a list and hence overwhelming.

What I do not understand at all is what inxi -zv8 means and/or how my respective system info would look like. But I will add some info and the full ist in a next step.

Ben · 14 December 2024 12:30

Redacted

cscs · 14 December 2024 12:34

I’d rather guess their interrupted upgrade is why they suddenly have dozens of orphans.

In which case they probably dont want to go removing them all.

BG405 · 14 December 2024 12:34

The above command is short-form, but basically gives all basic system info but masks anything which is personally identifiable such as MAC addresses. That’s the z part; v8 basically sets the verbosity level.

inxi is a tool which was developed some years ago to easily show important system information; I actually interacted with him a few years ago on another forum when he was asking about what features to include.

I think man inxi may be worth a look if you are interested.

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:37

Yes, that is exactly what I am thinking. Don’t want to break the system by removing orphans that, in fact, aren’t really orphans at all, so to speak.

cscs · 14 December 2024 12:39

So follow my suggestion and begin reinstalling all (native) packages.

We might expect errors, but will rectify as needed.

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:41

So, here’s my inxi output:

System:
  Kernel: 6.6.63-1-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.1
    clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
    parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.6-x86_64
    root=UUID=94861422-4364-4618-8458-f9fafaa76a0a rw quiet splash
    udev.log_priority=3
  Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 6.2.4 tk: Qt v: N/A info: frameworks v: 6.8.0
    wm: kwin_x11 vt: 2 dm: SDDM Distro: Manjaro base: Arch Linux
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 81AH v: Lenovo V320-17IKB
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 v: Lenovo V320-17IKB
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: LNVNB161216 v: SDK0J40700 WIN
    serial: <superuser required>
    part-nu: LENOVO_MT_81AH_BU_idea_FM_Lenovo V320-17IKB
    uuid: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: LENOVO v: 4WCN25WW
    date: 05/23/2017
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 28.8 Wh (100.0%) condition: 28.8/35.0 Wh (82.2%)
    volts: 8.5 min: 7.5 model: SMP L16M2PB2 type: Li-poly serial: <filter>
    status: full
Memory:
  System RAM: total: 8 GiB available: 7.55 GiB used: 5.71 GiB (75.7%)
  Message: For most reliable report, use superuser + dmidecode.
  Array-1: capacity: 32 GiB slots: 2 modules: 2 EC: None
    max-module-size: 16 GiB note: est.
  Device-1: ChannelA-DIMM0 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous unbuffered
    (unregistered) size: 4 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s volts: curr: 1 min: 2 max: 2
    width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: Samsung
    part-no: M471A5244CB0-CRC serial: N/A
  Device-2: ChannelB-DIMM0 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous unbuffered
    (unregistered) size: 4 GiB speed: 2133 MT/s volts: curr: 1 min: 1.35
    max: 2 width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: Samsung
    part-no: M471A5244CB0-CRC serial: <filter>
PCI Slots:
  Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
CPU:
  Info: model: Intel Core i5-7200U bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Amber/Kaby Lake
    note: check gen: core 7 level: v3 note: check built: 2017
    process: Intel 14nm family: 6 model-id: 0x8E (142) stepping: 9
    microcode: 0xF6
  Topology: cpus: 1x dies: 1 clusters: 2 cores: 2 threads: 4 tpc: 2
    smt: enabled cache: L1: 128 KiB desc: d-2x32 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 512 KiB
    desc: 2x256 KiB L3: 3 MiB desc: 1x3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 400 min/max: 400/2500 scaling: driver: intel_pstate
    governor: powersave cores: 1: 400 2: 400 3: 400 4: 400 bogomips: 21607
  Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat
    arch_capabilities arch_perfmon art avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 bts clflush
    clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64
    dtherm dts erms est f16c flush_l1d fma fpu fsgsbase fxsr ht hwp
    hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_notify ibpb ibrs intel_pt invpcid lahf_lm lm
    mca mce md_clear mmx monitor movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae
    pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm pdpe1gb pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pti
    pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp rep_good sdbg sep sgx smap smep ss ssbd sse sse2
    sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 stibp syscall tm tm2 tsc tsc_adjust
    tsc_deadline_timer vme x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves
    xtopology xtpr
  Vulnerabilities:
  Type: gather_data_sampling mitigation: Microcode
  Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX unsupported
  Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion
  Type: mds mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI
  Type: mmio_stale_data mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable
  Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
  Type: retbleed mitigation: IBRS
  Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
  Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
    prctl
  Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
    sanitization
  Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: IBRS; IBPB: conditional; STIBP: conditional;
    RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not affected
  Type: srbds mitigation: Microcode
  Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 620 vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel
    arch: Gen-9.5 process: Intel 14nm built: 2016-20 ports: active: eDP-1
    empty: HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:5916 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Bison EasyCamera driver: uvcvideo type: USB rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 bus-ID: 1-8:4 chip-ID: 5986:210f
    class-ID: 0e02
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.14 with: Xwayland v: 24.1.4
    compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa
    dri: iris gpu: i915 display-ID: :0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1600x900 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 423x238mm (16.65x9.37")
    s-diag: 485mm (19.11")
  Monitor-1: eDP-1 model: BOE Display 0x0685 built: 2015 res: 1600x900
    hz: 60 dpi: 106 gamma: 1.2 chroma: red: x: 0.624 y: 0.353 green: x: 0.337
    y: 0.612 blue: x: 0.153 y: 0.098 white: x: 0.314 y: 0.329
    size: 382x215mm (15.04x8.46") diag: 438mm (17.3") ratio: 16:9
    modes: 1600x900
  EDID-Warnings: 1: parse_edid: unknown flag 0 2: parse_edid: unknown flag 2
  API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: intel iris platforms: device: 0 drv: iris
    device: 1 drv: swrast gbm: drv: iris surfaceless: drv: iris x11: drv: iris
    inactive: wayland
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa v: 24.2.8-arch1.1
    glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2)
    device-ID: 8086:5916 memory: 3.68 GiB unified: yes
  API: Vulkan v: 1.3.295 layers: N/A device: 0 type: integrated-gpu
    name: Intel HD Graphics 620 (KBL GT2) driver: mesa intel v: 24.2.8-arch1.1
    device-ID: 8086:5916 surfaces: xcb,xlib
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio vendor: Lenovo
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel alternate: snd_soc_skl,snd_soc_avs
    bus-ID: 00:1f.3 chip-ID: 8086:9d71 class-ID: 0403
  API: ALSA v: k6.6.63-1-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
    type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
  Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: jack_control,qjackctl
  Server-2: PipeWire v: 1.2.7 status: off with: pipewire-media-session
    status: active tools: pw-cli
  Server-3: PulseAudio v: 17.0 status: active with: pulseaudio-alsa
    type: plugin tools: pacat,pactl
Network:
  Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Lenovo driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1
    port: 3000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
  IF: enp1s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
    broadcast: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 Plus Bluetooth driver: iwlwifi
    v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 bus-ID: 02:00.0
    chip-ID: 8086:3166 class-ID: 0280
  IF: wlp2s0 state: down mac: <filter>
  IF-ID-1: br-dbed86afbd98 state: down mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
  IP v6: <filter> virtual: proto kernel_ll scope: link
  IF-ID-2: docker0 state: down mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
  Info: services: NetworkManager,systemd-timesyncd
  WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface driver: btusb v: 0.8 type: USB
    rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 bus-ID: 1-7:3 chip-ID: 8087:0a2a
    class-ID: e001
  Report: rfkill ID: hci0 rfk-id: 11 state: down bt-service: enabled,running
    rfk-block: hardware: no software: yes address: see --recommends
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 98.62 GiB (82.7%)
  SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
  ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: SK Hynix model: HFS128G3BTND-N210A
    size: 119.24 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
    tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 1P10 scheme: MBR
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: DVDRAM GUE0N rev: T.02
    dev-links: cdrom
  Features: speed: 24 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes
    rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition:
  ID-1: / raw-size: 119.24 GiB size: 116.81 GiB (97.96%)
    used: 98.62 GiB (84.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 label: N/A
    uuid: 94861422-4364-4618-8458-f9fafaa76a0a
Swap:
  Alert: No swap data was found.
Unmounted:
  Message: No unmounted partitions found.
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 12 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
    class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-4:15 info: Synaptics type: <vendor specific> driver: N/A
    interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.1
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 06cb:0081 class-ID: ff00 serial: <filter>
  Device-2: 1-7:3 info: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface type: bluetooth
    driver: btusb interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1
    mode: 1.1 power: 100mA chip-ID: 8087:0a2a class-ID: e001
  Device-3: 1-8:4 info: Bison EasyCamera type: video driver: uvcvideo
    interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0
    power: 500mA chip-ID: 5986:210f class-ID: 0e02
  Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 6 rev: 3.0
    speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
    class-ID: 0900
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 39.0 C pch: 35.5 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
  Packages: 1821 pm: pacman pkgs: 1784 libs: 449 tools: pamac pm: flatpak
    pkgs: 37
  Active pacman repo servers in: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
    1: https://mirrors2.manjaro.org/stable/$repo/$arch
    2: https://mirror.leitecastro.com/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    3: https://ftp.psnc.pl/linux/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    4: https://ftp.linux.org.tr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    5: https://opencolo.mm.fcix.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    6: https://mirrors.ucr.ac.cr/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    7: https://ftp.caliu.cat/pub/distribucions/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
    8: https://mirror.2degrees.nz/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
Processes:
  CPU top: 5 of 209
  1: cpu: 200% command: ps pid: 384946 mem: 3.62 MiB (0.0%)
  2: cpu: 13.7% command: ./firefox.real pid: 379939 mem: 536.6 MiB (6.9%)
  3: cpu: 5.6% command: firefox.real pid: 380969 mem: 232.4 MiB (3.0%)
  4: cpu: 3.4% command: kwin_x11 pid: 717 mem: 246.4 MiB (3.1%)
  5: cpu: 2.5% command: plasmashell pid: 751 mem: 1100.6 MiB (14.2%)
  Memory top: 5 of 209
  1: mem: 1100.6 MiB (14.2%) command: plasmashell pid: 751 cpu: 2.5%
  2: mem: 962.6 MiB (12.4%) command: pamac-manager pid: 384124 cpu: 0.7%
  3: mem: 536.6 MiB (6.9%) command: ./firefox.real pid: 379939 cpu: 13.7%
  4: mem: 246.4 MiB (3.1%) command: kwin_x11 pid: 717 cpu: 3.4%
  5: mem: 232.4 MiB (3.0%) command: firefox.real pid: 380969 cpu: 5.6%
Info:
  Processes: 209 Power: uptime: 7d 2h 16m states: freeze,mem,disk
    suspend: deep avail: s2idle wakeups: 8 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown,
    reboot, suspend, test_resume image: 3.01 GiB
    services: org_kde_powerdevil,upowerd Init: systemd v: 256
    default: graphical tool: systemctl
  Compilers: clang: 18.1.8 gcc: 14.2.1 Shell: Zsh v: 5.9 default: Bash
    v: 5.2.37 running-in: konsole inxi: 3.3.36

And this is the full list of orphans:

appstream-glib              0.8.3-2                      extra     3,9 MB
bluez-qt5                   5.116.0-1                    extra     2,3 MB
box2d                       3.0.0-1                      extra     466,9 kB
cbindgen                    0.27.0-1                     extra     4,1 MB
clojure                     1.12.0.1488-1                extra     17,2 MB
cuneiform                   1.1.0-22                     AUR       55,5 MB
cython                      3.0.11-1                     extra     19,0 MB
czmq                        4.2.1-3                      AUR       768,0 kB
db                          6.2.32-1                     core      7,5 MB
doxygen                     1.12.0-3                     extra     19,2 MB
dtkwidget                   5.7.1-4                      extra     34,0 MB
electron30                  30.5.1-3                     extra     239,4 MB
extra-cmake-modules         6.8.0-1                      extra     2,1 MB
gcab                        1.6-2                        extra     412,1 kB
gcc-objc                    14.2.1+r134+gab884fffe3fc-1  core      89,4 MB
gendesk                     1.0.10-1                     extra     6,9 MB
gn                          0.2201.feafd101-1            extra     3,2 MB
gnustep-back                0.30.0-1                     AUR       1,2 MB
gnustep-gui                 0.30.0-1                     AUR       8,8 MB
gnustep-make                2.9.2-1                      extra     881,6 kB
gocr                        0.52-3                       extra     480,0 kB
goocanvas                   3.0.0-6                      extra     3,0 MB
gperf                       3.1-5                        extra     231,2 kB
gptfdisk                    1.0.10-1                     extra     723,6 kB
grantlee                    5.3.1-2                      extra     5,1 MB
gtkspell3                   3.0.10-3                     extra     205,6 kB
imake                       1.0.10-2                     extra     1,3 MB
kactivities-stats5          5.116.0-1                    extra     590,7 kB
kdesignerplugin             5.116.0-2                    AUR       154,2 kB
kdesu5                      5.116.0-1                    extra     553,5 kB
kdnssd5                     5.116.0-1                    extra     620,1 kB
kdsoap-qt5                  2.2.0-1                      extra     1,3 MB
kfilemetadata5              5.116.0-2                    AUR       1,6 MB
kgamma                      6.2.4-1                      extra     386,9 kB
kholidays5                  1:5.116.0-1                  extra     1,2 MB
khtml                       5.115.0-1                    AUR       10,9 MB
kidletime5                  5.116.0-1                    extra     347,3 kB
kimageannotator-qt5         0.7.1-3                      extra     1,6 MB
kimageformats5              5.116.0-3                    extra     785,5 kB
kirigami-addons5            0.11.0-7                     extra     858,4 kB
knotifyconfig5              5.116.0-1                    extra     552,9 kB
kpeoplevcard                0.1-2                                  52,5 kB
kquickcharts5               5.115.0-1                              431,8 kB
krunner5                    5.115.0-4                    AUR       875,1 kB
ktexteditor5                5.116.0-1                    extra     14,9 MB
ldns                        1.8.4-1                      core      2,0 MB
lib32-libunwind             1.8.1-1                      multilib  197,7 kB
libgit2                     1:1.8.4-1                    extra     3,0 MB
libgusb                     0.4.9-1                      extra     2,8 MB
libhandy                    1.8.3-2                      extra     2,5 MB
libical                     3.0.18-2                     extra     7,4 MB
libkcddb5                   24.05.2-1                              306,3 kB
libkdcraw5                  24.08.3-1                    extra     138,5 kB
libqaccessibilityclient-qt5 0.6.0-1                      extra     246,8 kB
libsidplay                  1.36.59-10                   AUR       273,9 kB
libsmbios                   2.4.3-7                      extra     1,1 MB
libvisual                   0.4.2-2                      AUR       567,5 kB
libxres                     1.2.2-2                      extra     20,6 kB
lld                         18.1.8-1                     extra     6,1 MB
lua52                       5.2.4-7                      extra     1,0 MB
mbedtls2                    2.28.9-1                     extra     3,1 MB
modemmanager-qt5            5.116.0-1                    AUR       1,3 MB
nasm                        2.16.03-1                    extra     2,6 MB
ndctl                       79-1                         extra     987,5 kB
networkmanager-qt5          5.116.0-1                    extra     3,8 MB
ocrad                       0.29-2                       extra     349,1 kB
oxygen-sounds               6.2.4-1                      extra     2,2 MB
patchelf                    0.18.0-3                     extra     256,0 kB
perl-parse-yapp             1.21-8                       extra     103,0 kB
pkgfile                     22-1                         extra     210,5 kB
podofo-0.9                  0.9.8-5                      AUR       3,0 MB
purpose5                    5.116.0-1                    extra     1,5 MB
python-deprecated           1.2.15-1                     extra     78,6 kB
python-deprecation          2.1.0-9                      extra     40,1 kB
python-odfpy                1.4.2-5                      extra     1,9 MB
python-ordered-set          4.1.0-5                      extra     67,2 kB
python-ply                  3.11-13                      extra     407,8 kB
python-pycurl               7.45.3-1                     extra     407,4 kB
python-pydantic             2.9.2-1                      extra     5,2 MB
python-pyparsing            3.1.2-2                      extra     1,3 MB
python-sane                 2.9.1-5                      extra     77,1 kB
python-tomli                2.0.1-4                      extra     101,1 kB
python-validate-pyproject   0.22-1                       extra     354,0 kB
qqc2-desktop-style5         5.116.1-1                    extra     358,2 kB
qt5-doc                     5.15.16-3                    extra     485,2 MB
qt5-networkauth             5.15.16+kde+r1-3             extra     240,3 kB
rust-bindgen                0.70.1-1                     extra     6,4 MB
transcode                   1.1.7-46                     AUR       5,8 MB
ttf-carlito                 20230509-2                   extra     2,7 MB
unpaper                     7.0.0-4                      extra     437,8 kB
v86d                        0.1.10-13                    AUR       127,3 kB
wasi-libc++                 18.1.8-4                     extra     9,8 MB
wayland-protocols           1.38-1                       extra     793,6 kB
web-installer-url-handler   2.3-1                                  6,0 kB
webrtc-audio-processing     0.3.1-5                      extra     850,1 kB
xorg-server-xvfb            21.1.14-1                    extra     1,9 MB
yarn                        1.22.22-2                    extra     20,2 MB
yasm                        1.3.0-7                      extra     3,8 MB
zip                         3.0-11                       extra     572,2 kB

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:45

I’d have to initiate another backup, right? I usually only back up my home, but doing what you suggest seems to need a e. g. Timeshift backup beforehand, wouldn’t you say?

cscs · 14 December 2024 12:47

Most if not all of those look like junk actually.

Why?

Before upgrades or installs as a general rule?

This should be the safest of possible package exchanges - you are reinstalling all native packages already installed.

That its to fix things, and why you would want to backup a broken state, being even further considerations.

Ben · 14 December 2024 12:48

Take care with language.

Backup (something like back-in-time) is useful to take rsync snapshots of your files.
Snapshot is a system (not data) backup.

So a Timeshift snapshot will wind you back (system). This would be useful BEFORE your broken upgrade.

A Back-in-Time restoration will bring data back (overwriting any work you’ve been doing). This would be useful if you reinstall and want to bring data back later.

cscs · 14 December 2024 12:51

Having taken a closer look at the orphans … was this a very out of date system?
Did you just upgrade to Plasma 6?

If so, aside from any upgrade -issues-, extra maintenance tasks are required.

On top of clearing old packages you would also need to remove old .cache and .config and possibly other data in your HOME directory.

boo.m · 14 December 2024 12:55

Nope, I regularly update, with only a few days, max one or two weeks, delay.

boo.m · 14 December 2024 13:03

Sorry to have to ask this, but what is the difference between pacman and pamac?
It keeps confusing me because what I thought was that pamac is Manjaro’s version of pacman and hence would expect the command reading sudo pamac -Syu $(pamac -Qnq)

EDIT: Read up a bit and retract my question. If I understand you correctly, it should be safe to do sudo pacman -Syu $(pacman -Qnq)?

boo.m · 14 December 2024 13:10

inxi seems quite powerful, thanks for the hint!

BG405 · 14 December 2024 13:26

Indeed it is; it reveals:

This is likely to be one of the issues here, a fairly significant one in fact. I have 8GB in this machine and doubt I’d get very far without swap.

Running out of available memory is likely what caused the upgrade to fail.

boo.m · 14 December 2024 13:30

Totally escaped me! So, the entire issue could be due to a lack of sufficient storage and RAM. I will get rid of unneeded files before I’ll do anything else. TYSM for finding and pointing this out!

EDIT: Is there a painless way of establishing swap space on a running system?

BG405 · 14 December 2024 13:33

You can create a swap file if you don’t want to mess with the partitions. I’m not familiar with that though (I always set up my partitions manually, before installing, including an adequately-sized swap one; I need hibernate to work). I’ll look in to it but maybe someone else here will jump in.