I’m on Manjaro unstable.
Because I have several applications/packages installed from AUR.
One of them is “Traur” GitHub - Sohimaster/traur: trust scoring for AUR packages written in Rust · GitHub
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I agree in principle - but it’s up to the USER… and it’s really quite relative to the actual software whether it even requires integration 
I have the new Radio app ‘Receiver’ and ‘OCRFeeder’ too - easy to install and working perfectly well on Flatpak, it’s not ideal - but it does make software available which you would otherwise need to spend a great deal more effort to install and update.
It’s not something that the Distribution should manage, but it’s not something that should be denied. ‘too much space’ only applies to poor people who can’t afford a proper 2TB or 4TB gumstick SSD.
I manage well enough with 250 GiB.
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Yes, on that I agree. Besides, given how people regularly ask for the newest discord due to the upstream developers disallowing the use of their software until you install the Latest & Greatest™, I always advise people to use the FlatPak version instead.
Well, I guess that includes me then.
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Concerning Finance
I suggest to expand the ways to donate, look at ‘The Highwire’ as an example
I’m not saying that’s the way Manjaro should handle such an logistic nightmare, but since Stablecoins become more and famous (even so I’m not a fan supporting the Fiat System), at least integrate the Crypto Currency ecosystem for donations.
It’s cheap, fast and with Privacy Coins included even anonymous. A Pay Server integration converts it automatically into the local currency.
With a user base of 2 million, if just 5% donate 1$/month, that would make a huge difference.
Anyway, for micro payments crypto currencies are most efficient.
Freedom is based on independent projects !!!
All the best to the team, Tashi Delek
(Btw, AUR is essential in my case and shall always be an optional choice)
Does the general strike mean that no package updates will be added to any of the branches?
With greater operational freedom, my opinion is that many key packages now available primarily via the AUR might have already been integrated under the main Distribution banner.
No, it does not. Any such “strike” action is limited to general forum operations, and even then, those actions were initially limited to approval of new applicants and general Moderation.
No user requests for Support assistance have otherwise been ignored, despite some negative press we’re already aware of, to the contrary.
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No. The strike is for nonessential forum functions.
Blocking updates will be very damaging and will be the end of it so i doubt it’ll be done by the community. As it is, the community is currently more motivated to keep the distro alive.
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I’ve been using Manjaro for a decade and was an active member in the old forum. Manjaro is still my daily drive for my workstation and personal computer. I hope that this Manjaro 2.0 restructuring plan can really save the project. Whoever treasures stability and productivity would not bother distro-hopping when it’s not necessary.
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After many years using Manjaro and reading and asking questions here in the forum, I’m now really worried about the project 
I hope Manjaro can continue and improve and not die, but I’ve started reading about migrating to EndeavourOS and thinking about a plan B.
My Linux knowledge isn’t very advanced, but if I can help the forum or the community in any way, count on me.
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Well, best advice is to have very robust backups, and snapshots also exported to an external disk… my last experience with EOs was in 2019, and I was actually quite shocked to meet a ‘vanilla KDE Plasma install’ after using Manjaro.
It’s not quite as simple as just copying back the configs either… so just hang in and try not to think of it too much.
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Having a plan B and a how to go about it for ones self, is not a bad thought in general I think.
My only consideration would be my main system, which still runs the default setup partition layout with ~/home in /.
Considered a few months ago, not related whats going on here now, to reconfigure this and move my ~/home to a separate /home partition on my main nvme besides also running backups of ~/home. Decided not to since both setups didn’t have a clear pros or cons over the other.
Main point of stress currently, and this will sound very trivial to most 
is not the thought of having to do some reinstall if it ever gets that far, but it’s the re-install and restoring of my Lutris library configuration that has some mod managers that if those install break will be a turd to re-setup from scratch. Like I said this is but a rather trivial thing considering.
I found this post in EndeavourOS forums. But I will wait for minimum 6 months to see what happen here. But maybe this can help to someone if want to migrate: Manjaro Manifesto v2.0 - A New Direction? - #6 by BishopWolf - Linux lounge - EndeavourOS
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A shout-out to Ben for providing unbiased and honest information and keeping the discussion civil!
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Add my name, please
Iván de la Torre
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Ooph. I’m not on the forums much, and somehow completely missed this news until someone in a local Linux User Group mentioned it 
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Manjaro was my first distro many years back, and despite having tried many others by now it’s still my daily driver on many devices. Both for work and private use. The stability and ease combined with the frequent updates and rolling release combined with the Arch-base makes it a clear winner for me. I still consider it a great “beginner-distro” for technical people (the last few words being important, because far from every beginner is a technical person. I wouldn’t give Manjaro to my grandpa, unlike something like Linux Mint, but I would give it to a half-decent software dev that hasn’t used Linux before). It’s great for those who make a start in Linux, probably want to dive deeper over time, but need some start without doing all the dives right away. At the same time, because it has pretty much all the neat Arch-thingies, it’s also great for people who are already deeper but want to “just run” stuff most of the time. I don’t think there is any distro like it.
I’m not entirely shocked to read the manifest, I think anyone who has been around for a while has heard about these issues before. I’m also glad people still seem to prefer to get to a solution that has everyone depart without animosity. I agree a split can be beneficial to both the current company as the community (and newly founded
I’m donating monthly to Manjaro, and never minded it being a company too much. I know full well that it being a commercial company means not all my money will go to where I wish it to go, but so be it. If however such a split would come, I would no doubt switch my donation too the community part when possible. I’m not here for Phil, I’m here for Manjaro. When it comes too a fork, the same could be said. The main difference would be, that the company has more (indirect) gains if they still work together. I kinda expect more recurring backers to do the same. I assume most of us are accepting a commercial company, rather than preferring it. If for nothing else, even if Phil would be some cold hearted business guy without care for the community (which I think is not the real truth, I think there is much too it with more nuance), that should be a reason to still work with you guys on the split.
I quickly read all the comments these passed 1,5 hour, so I may have missed a thing here and there, but there are a few more specific things I wanna react on. Please don’t mind me now searching all 150+ reactions for the relevant quotes .
Someone mentioned no longer relying on Manjaro or Arch. Personally, “Arch but more stable and easy to set up” has been one of my prime my reasons to choose Manjaro and stepping away from that might just make me go somewhere else after all. I don’t think I want to switch away from pacman, and the AUR is a must for me nowadays (which, I think, doesn’t cause issues by itself. People misunderstanding or misusing what the AUR is & does causes issues. I still see people who think it’s curated, tested and safe because it’s hosted by Arch. While I think a much better approach would be to act like it is a lot of random software you would normally download of random git repro’s, put together to find them more easy but still requiring the same checks). I don’t like to use containerised options. Flatpacks I will use in some cases, but still rather not. Snaps and such don’t go near my system. I’m fine with the support mind you, because choice is good, but personally I don’t want it. Either way, each option, AUR and other, have their ups and downs. Manjaro doesn’t need to actively support the AUR, and more clear warnings about it might even be good, but it shouldn’t prevent it either for those who do know how it works and can use it without breaking their systems (because I doubt I’m the only one who manages to do that). I also don’t really want to switch away from the rest of the Arch-typical things.
Personally I’m at a point where Manjaro is sometimes being too simple by default. Some of the “easy” tools like the current package manager GUI are things I switch out. Installing octopi again is one of the first things I do on a fresh install ever since it’s no longer the default. I prefer pacman over pamac. But I still like it the way it is now, because I much rather have to make a few things more complex than having to try to simplify the parts I want less complex. And once you’re at the point you may decide you want to do such things, Manjaro allows you to do this without breaking stuff (and if you can’t, you probably shouldn’t yet). Point is, Manjaro without Arch-base is no Manjaro to me. It’s something entirely different. Doesn’t mean it’s bad in the general sense, but it’s not Manjaro and not for the same audience.
For now I’ll be here keeping an eye on things. I guess we will see in the time to come what happens. Either way, as I said, I’m not here for Phil but for Manjaro, and I’ll be there where the project actually is. Not in name, but in spirit. I can only support you guys. I especially want to thank @dennis1248 and @Ben as your comments in this threat have been quite insightful catching up. But really, my support goes to all the people on the Manjaro team trying to help the project this way 
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TBH, the news ‘hat mich kalt erwischt’.
I came to Manjaro in 2016/2017 because it was the only Distro that didn’t ■■■■ its pants with my triple Nvidia-GPU (rendering) setup.
And it was consistent, update after update, after update.
Since then, Manjaro powers all my Desktops /Laptops and i never looked elsewhere.
When you switched to the new Forum, i’ll be honest, i was too lazy to refresh my subscription.
Partly also because You - all the poeple involved - made this distro so boringly stable for me.
The only times i really needed the forum, was when i was too stupid to not look at the Change logs prior updating - which got me in some minor troubles, but nothing that wasn’t fixable in 10 minutes.
So, after stumbling on the manifesto, i subscribed to voice my endorsement on the endeavour (pun intended).
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From the reading, i can see that there are major hurdles, and i understand -from experience- how hard it can be for Philip to ‘separate’ himself from his baby.(besides all legal stuff)
Nevertheless, given the situation it’s the only logical - and dare i say economical- path. Resulting entities could focus on their respective projects and better allocate resources.
It’s easier to talk the talk, then walk the walk, but i hope that this matter can be resolved in an equitable way for both parties. -
While there has been undeniably some reputational damage to the ‘brand’ - especially those recurring EOL certificates - and regarding all the hardships eg: no proper access to resources, devs no more etc pp…
Manjaro still figures in the Top10 on Distrowatch for the past 12 months.
The distro is solid.
IMO,with new drive, a proper structure and the continuous good work every one has done here, it will be possible to get Manjaro back on feet so to say. -
I don’t want to be that guy, but i’ll be that guy anyway as it is a crucial point in every open source project.
I am endorsing Manjaro - and other OSS Projects i use to make money- through Open Collective, on a yearly basis like a subscription.
Correct me if i’m wrong, but as i understood(roughly) the Gmbh is the central hub for donations / endorsements and redistributes them then to the various projects, one being the Distro?
TBF, i’d like to have to a structure where i’m sure my endorsement goes fully into the development / maintaining of the distro / OS.
While i welcomed the idea of an Arm branch, stuff like portable console is not really what i want to sponsor in that context.
I can see the idea behind it, but it shouldn’t affect maintaining of the OS / Distro.
Again, i think it’s a good move for every party involved - GmbH, Community & Users - to split the OS / Distro in its own entity, or - if it’s to complicated legally / financially wise - to create a proper umbrella corp with the OS / Distro as its own entity inside the group, with proper ACL’s to the common/shared resources - aka those certificates can be renewed before they break for example.
Anyhow, i’d like to thank the people involved in keeping this a nearly flawless journey for me the past 10 years, and i’m hopeful more will follow.
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Either he’s too busy with AerynOS, or he’s no longer following the thread, or he simply doesn’t care.
In the photos he looks like a grown man, but his behaviour is more like that of a young teenager with hormones raging through his body!
I’m sorry if that sounds accusatory, but I have absolutely no sympathy for his behaviour.
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It’s really unfortunate to see the current situation. I’ve been using Manjaro for over three years and it’s the distro that meets my needs. The curated updates have saved me from a lot of the problems that other users have experienced.
I won’t switch to another distro, but I’ll be watching the current situation closely. I would like to thank all the Manjaro developers for their excellent work. Thank you for providing us with such an excellent distro.
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It’s written objectively, I didn’t know it was that bad, we’ll think about it.
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With several untruths – and, we don’t know from where the author pulled the “Kili” name purported to be a new fork, but we have a fair idea the sun doesn’t shine there.
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