Check and manage pacnew files

I’ll install, use, and give feedback later.

What about the safeguard idea? As I explained, there are .pacnew files you don’t want the “normal user” (also called the noobs, or worse) to mess with, without at least warnings or something else that will prevent them to break the system. Especially if you had the idea to add this tool to other Majaro main tools, many user will destroy their system (it may be better they don’t touch .pacnew file rather than destroying critical system file by replacing with .pacnew).

I agree, simple way Is to add a disclaimer with the link for ask on the forum what Is best to do with the pac* showed and in the meantime i change also the default choice to “nothing to do”


Safeguard would be to have a warning in post #1 of release announcements:

so the warning is also visible in announcements by email, RSS and social network feeds

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So nobody who needs to see it would see it. The people who need to see that don’t go to the forum let alone read the announcement threads.

And that is most likely already the case, important config changes are usually announced.

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There was no warning about /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew in post #1 of Stable update 2023-07-10

And even people with reading abilities seem to have overlooked information posted by @cscs in post #2 about merging /etc/pacman.conf.pacnew.
Many more posts than usual from new users and ‘been a while since…’ users
No surprise considering it has been a while since users on stable branch had to deal with a .pacnew file

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Sure there was. See The community repository has been merged into extra and is now empty

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And that’s adding to my point. Having the info in the forum is useless anyway for these non technical people, the safeguard with this tool should not be a message in the forum but something in the tool itself.

And about this pacman.conf file it is not what I call a critical system file, replacing it with the pacnew is completely OK.

Now replace shadow.conf with its .pacnew and see the result :sweat_smile:

Which posits a very serious question regarding what demographic Manjaro is for.

As I see it, Manjaro, by virtue of being Arch-based, is a distribution for people willing to assume the responsibility of maintaining it as it should. It is not — and, again, by virtue of its origins as an Arch spin-off, cannot be — a household kitchen sink appliance for consumers. They would be better off using a distribution designed to be used that way — something like Ubuntu.

The user cannot have it both ways, and as the supporting community, neither can we. Either we stay true to ourselves and to the nature of Manjaro, or we turn it into yet another clone of Ubuntu, Mint, or whatever else is out there.

There are already plenty of people out there who install Manjaro and then don’t update their system in years. And for that matter, do we really want to turn Manjaro into a distro for hardcore gamers at the expense of the community of helpful volunteers and the quality of the distribution?


Who knows what lurks in shadow.conf.pacnews?

The Shadow knows…

:running_man: …I’ll see myself out…

I agree a lot of people using Manjaro shouldn’t use Manjaro. But what do we do now? Do as you see fit regarding this tool in the end, I’m just giving feedback/advice based on the reality of the demographic. This tool is great, but for these people it is a straight path to destruction with some of the .pacnew files they will overwrite/merge without the proper knowledge.

PS: also I don’t know what you mean regarding “gaming” this is kinda off topic.

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It was a reference to the demographic that Manjaro appears to attract, whether intentional or not.

I know, right?

Obviously use Arch and stop messing around. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Tell everybody that doesn’t fit your view of “people belonging to YOUR community” to uninstall!!!

I read this as the official stance from Manjaro, and the community should know that.
The rules in the forum should be changed, you HAVE to belong here and talking down on people is ok if you have a neck beard,


It is user-friendly and suitable for those new to computers, and can be installed on a wide range of devices.


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I’m not a hypocrite. As a Arch based distro, Manjaro needs the user to have technical knowledge and willing to learn. Fact number one. That’s just a fact, and we can see MANY people in the community not willing to learn and lacking the most basic knowledge when it comes to issues, fact number two… That’s all. Now you want to make a scene out of it, please yourself.

I was just commenting about the topic and the reality, this tool may create more issues than helping people if not properly safeguarded.

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Whoah, there friend. I was joking around.

In my humble opinion, that line on the main Manjaro website should be removed, because…

  1. It’s just another marketing slogan aimed at drawing in more users; and…
  2. It’s just not true.

Manjaro is a great distribution, and because of its graphical installer and its inclusion of a couple of graphical administration tools, it is more user-friendly than Arch proper. But that’s where it ends. It doesn’t have a full GUI administration suite, and due to its Arch base, it is still a very technical distribution.

Absolute beginners should not be using Manjaro if all they want to do is experiment with GNU/Linux, or if they’re looking for a consumerist kitchen sink appliance or a gaming console like Microsoft Windows. Whoever put that line on our front door made a huge mistake.

If on the other hand they are interested in GNU/Linux as an operating system and they’re willing to invest the time and the energy not only to learn, but to also keep their system in good health, then yes, Manjaro would be a good choice.

I’ve been using GNU/Linux exclusively for over 24 years now, and I’ve always been on the lookout for the perfect distro to meet my needs. I’ve even dabbled with Gentoo for both the dom0 and domU on top of the Xen hypervisor. But when I discovered Manjaro, I saw my needs met.

But, I have always had a special interest in operating systems, I have some proprietary UNIX experience, and like I said, I’ve been exclusively running GNU/Linux for over 24 years now. So I’m an enthusiast rather than a consumer, and I’ve never been afraid of reading the documentation — it is there for a purpose. And even I still have to ask about some Arch- or Manjaro-specific things on occasion.

Quantity over quality never works, and I think it was a grave mistake to continue profiling Manjaro as a distribution for absolute beginners and/or for hardcore gamers.

Most of those games are proprietary software anyway — and therefore, you don’t know what they do — and are geared toward use in combination with high-end graphics adapters, which is a market segment dominated by Nvidia, whose gaming- and performance-oriented drivers are equally proprietary.

The only operating system suitable for that kind of usage — courtesy of it also being proprietary and receiving first-class vendor support from Nvidia itself — is Microsoft Windows. Therefore, gamers should stick to Windows. After all, with its BSODs, it is in and of itself a game too… of Russian roulette. :roll_eyes:

It’s not that we’re trying to be elitist — we’re not Arch proper — but things are what they are, and people are what they are. And the more you cater to idiots, the more idiots you’ll attract. That’s a given.

If you leave your door open to everyone, then one day you’re going to come home and find that your furniture has all gone missing. A line needs to be drawn somewhere.



I think this has been talked multiple times that this line should not be formulated this way, because as you said, it is not true.

What is true is that it is user friendly for an Arch based distro, no debate about that, but the “new to computers” part isn’t. I think this is off topic so maybe we can move post or whatever.


Thats actually not 100% true, because it was edited after time after anyone told Philm that there was the missing community repo info was only visible in Tested Branch and why its its no longer showed up for everyone else in the stable branch.

So @nikgnomic has a valid point here, i think.

I think that Windows isnt user friendly also, related to all problems and hickups that i have and had in the past 30years… I remember all the registry hacks for Windows and to solve problems.

Manjaro was my first Linux distro (besides Caldera in the 90th’s that i had installed and used for not even 10hours) and even it was a long learning curve, after 4-6 Month later i learned alot and could use it as daily driver… was it harder to learn it as Win3.11 or Win95? I personally think the difference wasnt this far off.

I read yesterday in another PC Forum a help topic about TPM related issue with Win11 and how to pause it for bitlocker drives (thats activate per default in most OEM PC’s), because all your files will getting lost if you dont have a restore key… or make a mistake and have only 3 try’s befor all your files getting destroyed.

This doesnt sounds beginner friendly and not even user friendly for experienced users also.

If i compare this issue, i think that Manjaro is today even more user friendly as Microsoft Windows. And most Windows people only defend it because they are to lazy to learn something new, even if they have do it again and again with a new Windows version… but this is blended out from this people.


My opinion exactly, the last couple of replys.

is of course not true. If you want to lie less you can write “new to linux” although it is also veeery debatable.

Maybe somebody can move the offtopic.

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