And now, the dive into the “Circular Argument with Bogdan” season 2!
With all new bizarre references!
Treating your forum posters (I’ll not say community) as if they are the enemy will build nothing but contempt.
Keep up the great work.
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This is similar to the fact that in the Football Champions League, for example, several members of one team catch the crown virus, so they can’t play, but the football association doesn’t even postpone their match, while the others play their own clashes. This is unfair to the innocent team, but it can happen at any time.
I know who you are, hence comes as a surprise to see you make your first comment against me directly.
Oh, but i’m not caught in any whirlpool here. I’m not the one that brought the storm here, and for sure i know how to stay away from it 
To be a little flippant, this is essentially what this thread feels like:
Community:
“We have some feedback for the Feedback section”
Manjaro:
Soon afterwards:
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Really? Taking quotes out of context now? That was said because you were being negative about the Manjaro community and I care about you doing that because you are part of the Manjaro team and so I cannot simply discount your opinion like I could with someone with no ties to Manjaro.
But yes, I suppose I bring little value to the project. Now that is established and agreed we can move on from it.
It is hostile for me to say that I do not like team members to have a hostile attitude towards their community?
I see the constructiveness didn’t last long -_-
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But we thought, as a team that you love chit-chat … so, here i am, chit-chatting with you. Now, also this is something we do wrong? I’m sorry, but the other members are busy preparing new stuff and fixing things, Today i’m your hostess. Nobody cares for drinks anymore?
You see, now you want me to do your lego game and give you back a full toy to trow at me. Excelent!
Is this a language barrier issue? I really do not know what you are trying to get at with this conversation thread. The only thing I have asked of you is that you stop being so hostile to the community.
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People need step back . Insulting each other is no good forum been open 5 day . Let dust settle and clear heads will win .
I say to both side
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Nah, chit chatting is fine and dandy!
It’s just strange to see Manjaro community members (or, let’s use a more professional term “consumers/users”) compared to that old slighly bendy carrot I have in the bottom of my fridge.
If Manjaro wishes to become more business like and less community focused, that’s great - but maybe it needs to employ community managers/PR people then. This just comes across as a bit unprofessional. At this stage, I would even rather pay for Manjaro to have the redress and entitlements as consumer, rather than have this community dichotomy going on, in which the bad cop role is played by people who are ‘community team members’ rather than employees of Manjaro the company.
I don’t doubt that you’re a great mediator for technical issues, but maybe it is worth considering tagging somebody a bit more empathetic in for this kind of discussion. Just my 2 cents.
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my conclusion from this topic:
Some people here seem to have used the old forum mainly as off-topic playground and think that they are “the community” while in reality, they are just a couple of spoiled brats thinking they can decide how other people have to spent their ressources.
It’s completely the Manjaro team’s decision on how to spent their ressources, both monetary and time.
I can only repeat myself from the other topic, and the middle-fingers and poop icons I got there just confirm that I am right:
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No one is disputing its the Manjaro teams decision and I haven’t really seen anyone acting like spoilt brats. The main complaint from everyone seems to be the hostility from the manjao team when users/members have given constructive feedback on the new forum.
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and yet most of the people here in this topic want to change the teams decision. --> Spoiled brats.
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I haven’t asked asked them to change anything. I gave my feedback that I thought restoring certain forums was a good Idea and was met with “if you don’t like it try another distro” and most people have been met with the same hostility from the team. I’d hardly call that demanding anything for behaving like a spoilt brat. Behaving like a spoilt brat would be demanding things change or I’m leaving which pretty much isn’t the case it’s the opposite
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Well, in the end a decision shall be made.
And it never happened to me that in any project I have seen through the years trying to fit to everyone’s wishes has worked out. You end with a mess.
Which isn’t to say you shall be an ace about it, but I don’t feel it’s the case.
You shall decide what is the true essential, and be willing to leave out the rest.
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I have never been hostile in this community. But if brought it up or projecting it, let me ask you, how can i be hostile when i did all this in the old forum:
Is all i have left from old forum and not to boost my ego, but to clarify:
Haw can i be hostile and welcoming in the same time ? Can we be sure you are not projecting something here? I’m appealing to a clear objective consideration, nor whatever subjective opinion. Do you know me, or do you think you know me? Doing this sort of intellectual autopsy one me here, is not something i treat slightly, but that doesn’t mean i’m hostile.
So, once again, how was calling them
better? Are they opened tumors? Is Manjaro a bleeding animal or something?
Does require empathy to do this kind of work or not?
If not, then probably you are right. If does, then how much more do i miss of having to not be taken as hostile by people in this conversation?
And it never happened to me, ever, that by giving tons of explanation anyone changed their mind.
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You are correct amigo, but, i prefer things on the table from the start, so we do not make mistakes in the open anymore.
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I’m sorry, but the headline is “Wanting a catch-all.” With several speakers it’s hard to know who’s asking what…
personally I don’t even remember the topics in the free category … music, humor? in any case nothing really important and especially nothing that should make us leave this forum if we think a little.
If one or 2 topics were important then yes, the community should ask for those topics but certainly not a FB number 2.
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The choice of metaphor another Manjaro user utilises isn’t the point here, is it? How @jabber or pretty much any other regular joe-schmoe forum member communicates has little to do with my end-user experience. When there’s a ‘Team Badge’ involved it’s a bit different. If I walk into a shop operated by my internet provider, it’s the behaviour of the people with the name tags that matters, not some random passer-by.
Though I’m not sure what the connection between your main profession and your role as a Manjaro Team member are, I’ll bite: most successful caricaturists possess biting wit and the ability to zero in on their subject’s flaws (physical or otherwise) so that they can emphasise these for comedic effect, almost the opposite of empathy in a way.
I would absolutely put my money where my mouth and pay for Manjaro, once off or on a running basis (as I used to in donating) - especially since I now have to use it for work. Paying for Manjaro would mean the people dealing with feedback and support issues are compensated financially and we don’t have a situation where they feel under appreciated. Users can then also express their honest concerns and issues with the product without feeling guilty for how much time somebody voluntarily gives to the community.
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