Cannot load alibaba.com only with Manjaro

[death]

Hi.
I cannot load the alibaba site. I try with different browsers - still cannot load. I try Manjaro live image - still cannot load alibaba.
I CAN load alibaba with any other distro and Windows.

How to reproduce?
Just try open alibaba site from Manjaro Gnome live image or installed.

[Aragorn]

Welcome to the forum!

@death

I cannot load the alibaba site. I try with different browsers - still cannot load. I try Manjaro live image - still cannot load alibaba.
I CAN load alibaba with any other distro and Windows.

How to reproduce?
Just try open alibaba site from Manjaro Gnome live image or installed.

It loads perfectly fine here in chromium on a fully up-to-date Manjaro Stable with the Plasma desktop environment. Not that the desktop environment should play any role in that, and the underlying configuration of the distribution should be identical between the three official Manjaro editions either way.

I suspect that it may either be a firewalling issue, a VPN issue, or perhaps one of your browser extensions. But for that matter, I have both DuckDuckGo Privacy Essentials and uBlock Origin Lite installed in chromium, so those two extensions are definitely not blocking the site.

In addition to the above, you’re the first person to report an issue with alibaba.com, and if this were truly a problem with the default network configuration or browser configuration in Manjaro, then with well over 31’000 forum members from all over the planet, we should have heard something about that by now. Logic therefore suggests that it would really be something very specific at your end.

What exactly happens when you try reaching the site? Is there an error message, or does it simply time out?

[death]

I was thinking about try Plasma live iso. But in Gnome with Bazitte is no problem. Will test now with Plazma live image. When i try load alibaba, sometimes stuck loading and no page load. Sometime load parts of site and stuck.

[Aragorn]

@death

When i try load alibaba, sometimes stuck loading and no page load. Sometime load parts of site and stuck.

This would suggest an intermittent network problem, and then the fact that it works in other distributions or in MS-Windows would be just down to a matter of timing.

[death]

Yes, but any other sites is no problem loading. Will try with Plazma iso, will reply in minutes. Alibaba is not down. im trying like a few days, just when i see the problem. It was with my previous Manjaro install with long use. Then i reinstall fresh one. Then i try with live image.

[Aragorn]

@death

but any other sites is no problem loading.

It could be a temporary problem with AliBaba itself. And in this day and age of botnet wars, DDoS attacks and A.I. crawlers, I wouldn’t be surprised of such either.

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Edit: I’ve just tried it again, and there’s no problem whatsoever. It loads extremely quickly, even, just like the first time.

[death]

I try with KDE live Manjaro. Still cannot load only alibaba. It load aliexpress and other sites just fast. Maybe because im in Bulgaria. There are some different … But in other distro, there is no problem.

EDIT: alibaba responded to ping in terminal, but does not loading in web
EDIT2: when i try live image i dont change anything. Just load with default and open source drivers. I dont change locales or anything. Just load KDE, connect with Wifi, then browse.

I try with CatchyOS Gnome live - no problem.
Pop!_OS Cosmic DE live - no problem
Bazitte Gnome installed - no problem
WIn11 - no problem
Manjaro live and installed - cannot load alibaba

I will try with old live Manjaro image. Wil see to find some from last year.
EDIT: i cannot find old image. Can you provede me with link to some older manjaro build?

[linux-aarhus]

@death

Manjaro live and installed - cannot load alibaba

There is nothing configured with Manjaro ISO which should prevent loading any websites.

[death]

Yes and for that is so strange. I will try with manjaro-gnome-23.1.0-231215-linux66.iso
And will see when i download it.
EDIT: anyway with lastest live image i cannot load DE with properietary nvidia drivers. So i need load with open-source, install manjaro and then install nvidia drivers. With older images has no problem.

[nikgnomic]

@death

with lastest live image i cannot load DE with properietary nvidia drivers. So i need load with open-source, install manjaro and then install nvidia drivers. With older images has no problem.

Latest Gnome ISOs use wayland by default and include nvidia v590 drivers that do not support GPUs with Maxwell or Pascal architecture

@philm

Important Note: Users of Plasma and GNOME may lose their X11 session support. Therefore read our Known issues and solutions section before restarting your systems!

Important Note: Users of Pascal, Maxwell, or older cards will fail to load the NVIDIA driver when 580xx series got used since 590xx doesn’t support the older hardware anymore. Only Turing series and newer. Therefore read our Known issues and solutions section before restarting your systems!

[death]

I make another test with totally different PC with AMD card.
So still cannot load alibaba from Wi-Fi and direct LAN with that PC on Manjaro Gnome Live image.
I also have FrydeOS installed here and in this OS cannot load alibaba too.
I load Zorin Linux live, and no problem load alibaba with this PC.
Something interesting is happening with this site.

EDIT: In Manjaro still have ping response from alibaba wich is 20ms
Aliexpress no problem for all OS

Any suggestion to try with some different browser?

Further testing:
I CAN load alibaba with Tor Browser with tor connection from Manjaro Gnome.
Cannot load alibaba with chromium browser, fresh install from Manjaro Gnome

[Aragorn]

If it loads in one browser but not in another browser, and nothing has been changed to the browser in which it doesn’t work, then it can only be — as I wrote higher up already — a problem with the network itself, possibly in your local area. Maybe your router is intermittently dropping packets?

All I can say is that it loads fine here, and that — as @linux-aarhus said — there is nothing in the official Manjaro ISOs that should prevent or otherwise hamper the loading of websites.

[death]

I CAN load alibaba with Epiphany browser with no problem in Manjaro
Cannot load with Vivaldi browser with Manjaro

Yes, all seems original, but in Manjaro and FydeOS i cannot load alibaba from Bulgaria.
Very very strange…

[Aragorn]

This would suggest some geofencing in place. But if it works in other distributions and in MS-Windows, then maybe you are using a VPN in those?

[nikgnomic]

Debug data might clarify what is going on with Live ISO

Open the debugger — Firefox Source Docs documentation

[death]

No VPN or anything in my settings or router. Just with some browsers on Manjaro, alibaba site works. With different distro, no problem with alibaba.
Also i start browser from terminal to see what is happening. When try to open alibaba, noting appear in terminal. When open aliexpress or other site, terminal reacts and show messages.

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Maybe i need make a video… but there will be same result. I need more debugging what is happening with Firefox, Chromium, Vivaldi that cannot load alibaba.
Epiphany and Tor Browser no problem.
Also with my smart phone Chrome no problem for alibaba. App too no problem. Same network in Wi-FI

[linux-aarhus]

@death

Maybe i need make a video…

No you don’t.

It is not a problem for Manjaro - it is a problem for you only - and you are having the interest

I am located in Denmark - I have no issues - @Aragorn is in Belgium, @nikgnomic - I don’t know.

It could be anything from an intermittent network routing issue to an incomplete ISO - what we do know is that it is not a general population issue.

[death]

I do another test:
I use my mobile network from phone to share Wi-Fi to my PC.
Now alibaba is loading with Firefox and Vivaldi with Manjaro.

[Aragorn]

@death

I use my mobile network from phone to share Wi-Fi to my PC.
Now alibaba is loading with Firefox and Vivaldi with Manjaro.

Then it is — again, as I wrote higher up — an intermittent problem with your router.

[death]

I do another test:
I use my phone to get the Wi-fi from router. Disable mobile internet, make a hot spot to connect my PC. Now alibaba load little more but stuck at (looking up s.alicdn com)