Every time I turn on the monitor, the xfdesktop pane displays asking me to “assign a desktop icon layout to (the?) monitor”.
Whatever I reply, providing it’s the correct monitor, is ok but it’s annoying. This has been happening only for the past 4-6 days. Never seen it before in several years.
I tried looking in “session and startup” but no sign of it. I’m currently thinking this was trggered by something in the last update. Any ideas, please?
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What is a Quark?
A. In Physics, an elementary particle and fundamental constituent of matter.
B. A character from the Star Trek: "Deep Space Nine" television series.
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System:
Kernel: 6.6.137-1-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 15.2.1
clocksource: tsc avail: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-6.6-x86_64
root=UUID=33c28639-2480-48b0-ae08-4bb77742a194 rw quiet apparmor=1
security=apparmor resume=UUID=452f5a9b-29a4-4243-a3c0-3a0d8b8b4522
udev.log_priority=3
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.2 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.52 wm: xfwm4 v: 4.20.0
with: xfce4-panel tools: xfce4-screensaver avail: light-locker,xscreensaver
vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: Manjaro base: Arch Linux
Machine:
Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: B450M DS3H v: N/A
serial: <superuser required>
Mobo: Gigabyte model: B450M DS3H-CF v: x.x serial: <superuser required>
uuid: <superuser required> Firmware: UEFI-[Legacy]
vendor: American Megatrends v: F50 date: 11/27/2019
Battery:
Message: No system battery data found. Is one present?
Memory:
System RAM: total: 16 GiB available: 13.59 GiB used: 9.13 GiB (67.2%)
Message: For most reliable report, use superuser + dmidecode.
Array-1: capacity: 128 GiB slots: 4 modules: 2 EC: None
max-module-size: 32 GiB note: est.
Device-1: Channel-A DIMM 0 type: no module installed
Device-2: Channel-A DIMM 1 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous unbuffered
(unregistered) size: 8 GiB speed: 3200 MT/s volts: note: check curr: 1
min: 1 max: 1 width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: TeamGroup
part-no: UD4-3200 serial: <filter>
Device-3: Channel-B DIMM 0 type: no module installed
Device-4: Channel-B DIMM 1 type: DDR4 detail: synchronous unbuffered
(unregistered) size: 8 GiB speed: 3200 MT/s volts: note: check curr: 1
min: 1 max: 1 width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: TeamGroup
part-no: UD4-3200 serial: <filter>
PCI Slots:
Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
CPU:
Info: model: AMD Ryzen 3 3200G with Radeon Vega Graphics bits: 64 type: MCP
arch: Zen/Zen+ note: check gen: 1 level: v3 note: check built: 2019
process: GF 12nm family: 0x17 (23) model-id: 0x18 (24) stepping: 1
microcode: 0x8108109
Topology: cpus: 1x dies: 1 clusters: 1 cores: 4 smt: <unsupported> cache:
L1: 384 KiB desc: d-4x32 KiB; i-4x64 KiB L2: 2 MiB desc: 4x512 KiB L3: 4 MiB
desc: 1x4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1231 min/max: 1400/3600 boost: enabled scaling:
driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: schedutil cores: 1: 1231 2: 1231 3: 1231
4: 1231 bogomips: 28759
Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm adx aes aperfmperf apic arat avic avx avx2 bmi1
bmi2 bpext clflush clflushopt clzero cmov cmp_legacy constant_tsc cpb
cpuid cr8_legacy cx16 cx8 de decodeassists extapic extd_apicid f16c
flushbyasid fma fpu fsgsbase fxsr fxsr_opt ht hw_pstate ibpb
ibpb_exit_to_user lahf_lm lbrv lm mca mce misalignsse mmx mmxext monitor
movbe msr mtrr mwaitx nonstop_tsc nopl npt nrip_save nx osvw
overflow_recov pae pat pausefilter pclmulqdq pdpe1gb perfctr_core
perfctr_llc perfctr_nb pfthreshold pge pni popcnt pse pse36 rapl rdrand
rdseed rdtscp rep_good sep sev sev_es sha_ni skinit smap smca smep ssbd
sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 succor svm svm_lock syscall tce
topoext tsc tsc_scale v_vmsave_vmload vgif vmcb_clean vme vmmcall wdt
xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveerptr xsaveopt
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: indirect_target_selection status: Not affected
Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
Type: l1tf status: Not affected
Type: mds status: Not affected
Type: meltdown status: Not affected
Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
Type: reg_file_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: retbleed mitigation: untrained return thunk; SMT disabled
Type: spec_rstack_overflow mitigation: SMT disabled
Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
prctl
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines; IBPB: conditional; STIBP:
disabled; RSB filling; PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected; BHI: Not affected
Type: srbds status: Not affected
Type: tsa status: Not affected
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Type: vmscape mitigation: IBPB before exit to userspace
Graphics:
Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Picasso/Raven 2 [Radeon Vega
Series / Radeon Mobile Series] driver: amdgpu v: kernel arch: GCN-5
code: Vega process: GF 14nm built: 2017-20 pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s
lanes: 16 ports: active: HDMI-A-1 empty: DVI-D-1 bus-ID: 07:00.0
chip-ID: 1002:15d8 class-ID: 0300 temp: 37.0 C
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.22 compositor: xfwm4 v: 4.20.0 driver:
X: loaded: amdgpu unloaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: radeonsi
gpu: amdgpu display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 509x286mm (20.04x11.26")
s-diag: 584mm (22.99")
Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-A-0 model: Philips PHL 243V5
serial: <filter> built: 2017 res: mode: 1920x1080 hz: 60 scale: 100% (1)
dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 chroma: red: x: 0.643 y: 0.337 green: x: 0.310 y: 0.620
blue: x: 0.157 y: 0.059 white: x: 0.314 y: 0.329
size: 521x293mm (20.51x11.54") diag: 598mm (23.5") ratio: 16:9
modes: 1920x1080, 1680x1050, 1280x1024, 1440x900, 1280x800, 1280x720,
1024x768, 800x600, 720x576, 720x480, 640x480, 720x400
API: OpenGL Message: Unable to show GL data. glxinfo is missing.
Info: Tools: de: xfce4-display-settings x11: xdpyinfo, xprop, xrandr
Audio:
Device-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Raven/Raven2/Fenghuang HDMI/DP
Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16
bus-ID: 07:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:15de class-ID: 0403
Device-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Ryzen HD Audio vendor: Gigabyte
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s lanes: 16
bus-ID: 07:00.6 chip-ID: 1022:15e3 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.6.137-1-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: sndiod v: N/A status: off tools: aucat,midicat,sndioctl
Server-2: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: N/A
Server-3: PipeWire v: 1.6.5 status: off with: wireplumber status: active
tools: pw-cli,wpctl
Server-4: PulseAudio v: 17.0-98-gb096 status: active with:
1: pulseaudio-alsa type: plugin 2: pulseaudio-jack type: module
tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
Device-1: Realtek RTL8192EE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter driver: rtl8192ee
v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 1 port: e000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
chip-ID: 10ec:818b class-ID: 0280
IF: wlo1 state: down mac: <filter>
Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: Gigabyte driver: r8169 v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s
lanes: 1 port: d000 bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200
IF: enp4s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
IP v4: <filter> type: noprefixroute scope: global broadcast: <filter>
Info: services: NetworkManager, nfsd, systemd-timesyncd
WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 24.79 TiB used: 19.21 TiB (77.5%)
SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: A-Data model: SX8200PNP
size: 238.47 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s
lanes: 4 tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 32B3T8EA temp: 37.9 C
scheme: GPT
ID-2: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM010-2EP102
size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s
tech: HDD rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> fw-rev: CC43
ID-3: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Seagate model: Expansion HDD
size: 7.28 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: USB
rev: 3.2 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 tech: N/A serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 0003 scheme: GPT
ID-4: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: Seagate model: Backup+ Hub BK
size: 7.28 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: USB
rev: 3.1 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 tech: N/A serial: <filter>
fw-rev: D781
ID-5: /dev/sdd maj-min: 8:48 vendor: Seagate model: Expansion SW
size: 3.64 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: USB
rev: 3.2 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 tech: N/A serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 0001 scheme: GPT
ID-6: /dev/sde maj-min: 8:64 vendor: Seagate model: Expansion SW
size: 3.64 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: USB
rev: 3.2 spd: 5 Gb/s lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 tech: N/A serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 1901 scheme: GPT
ID-7: /dev/sdf maj-min: 8:80 vendor: Seagate model: Expansion
size: 1.82 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: USB
rev: 2.1 spd: 480 Mb/s lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: N/A serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 0706 scheme: GPT
Message: No optical or floppy data found.
Partition:
ID-1: / raw-size: 97.66 GiB size: 95.56 GiB (97.86%) used: 17.71 GiB (18.5%)
fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p2 maj-min: 259:2 label: N/A
uuid: 33c28639-2480-48b0-ae08-4bb77742a194
ID-2: /efi raw-size: 300 MiB size: 299.4 MiB (99.80%) used: 316 KiB (0.1%)
fs: vfat dev: /dev/nvme0n1p1 maj-min: 259:1 label: N/A uuid: D016-613D
ID-3: /home raw-size: 931.51 GiB size: 915.82 GiB (98.31%)
used: 728.84 GiB (79.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 label: Data
uuid: 0c61983b-d004-4fe5-bed7-351a58b7f99f
ID-4: /mnt/Europa_8TB raw-size: 7.28 TiB size: 7.22 TiB (99.20%)
used: 6.75 TiB (93.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb1 maj-min: 8:17
label: Europa_8TB uuid: 5658e100-2f0c-4536-9390-6ac510a8fc57
ID-5: /mnt/Mars_8TB raw-size: 7.28 TiB size: 7.22 TiB (99.20%)
used: 6.76 TiB (93.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 label: Mars_8TB
uuid: 08453dca-5f7f-40d7-96ec-f830d0dff70d
ID-6: /mnt/Phobos raw-size: 3.64 TiB size: 3.58 TiB (98.40%)
used: 1.6 TiB (44.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdd1 maj-min: 8:49 label: Phobos
uuid: 74bc60bd-26cc-4e02-ba55-033f4c22d817
ID-7: /mnt/Uranus raw-size: 3.64 TiB size: 3.58 TiB (98.40%)
used: 2.46 TiB (68.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sde1 maj-min: 8:65 label: Uranus
uuid: 91a2bd08-ff93-4416-b396-ebe73e4bf09e
ID-8: /mnt/Uranus2 raw-size: 1.82 TiB size: 1.79 TiB (98.37%)
used: 833.5 GiB (45.5%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdf1 maj-min: 8:81 label: Uranus2
uuid: c1d0ca1f-f76e-4246-b03d-df16c8726580
ID-9: /var raw-size: 97.66 GiB size: 95.56 GiB (97.86%)
used: 86.54 GiB (90.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p4 maj-min: 259:4
label: N/A uuid: 6b791458-6e35-4235-9b67-c3e3028eb7d4
Swap:
Kernel: swappiness: 60 (default) cache-pressure: 100 (default) zswap: yes
compressor: zstd max-pool: 20%
ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 32.06 GiB used: 8.07 GiB (25.2%)
priority: -2 dev: /dev/nvme0n1p3 maj-min: 259:3 label: N/A
uuid: 452f5a9b-29a4-4243-a3c0-3a0d8b8b4522
Unmounted:
Message: No unmounted partitions found.
USB:
Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 10 rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 1-1:2 info: Pixart Imaging Optical Mouse type: mouse
driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1
speed: 1.5 Mb/s (183 KiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.0 power: 100mA
chip-ID: 093a:2510 class-ID: 0301
Device-2: 1-2:3 info: Logitech Keyboard K120 type: keyboard,HID
driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 1.1
speed: 1.5 Mb/s (183 KiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.0 power: 90mA
chip-ID: 046d:c31c class-ID: 0300
Device-3: 1-5:4 info: Seagate RSS LLC Expansion Portable
type: mass storage driver: uas interfaces: 1 rev: 2.1
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 power: 500mA
chip-ID: 0bc2:231a class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter>
Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 4 rev: 3.1
speed: 10 Gb/s (1.16 GiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-2x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
class-ID: 0900
Hub-3: 3-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 4 rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
class-ID: 0900
Hub-4: 4-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 4 rev: 3.1
speed: 10 Gb/s (1.16 GiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-2x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 4-4:2 info: Seagate RSS LLC Expansion HDD type: mass storage
driver: uas interfaces: 1 rev: 3.2 speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1
mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 chip-ID: 0bc2:2032 class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter>
Hub-5: 5-0:1 info: hi-speed hub with single TT ports: 1 rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
class-ID: 0900
Hub-6: 5-1:2 info: Seagate RSS LLC Backup Plus Hub ports: 3 rev: 2.1
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 power: 100mA
chip-ID: 0bc2:ab44 class-ID: 0900
Hub-7: 6-0:1 info: super-speed hub ports: 1 rev: 3.1
speed: 10 Gb/s (1.16 GiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-2x1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0003
class-ID: 0900
Hub-8: 6-1:2 info: Seagate RSS LLC Backup+ Hub ports: 3 rev: 3.0
speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 chip-ID: 0bc2:ab45
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 6-1.1:3 info: Seagate RSS LLC Backup Plus Hub (Mass Storage)
type: mass storage driver: uas interfaces: 1 rev: 3.1
speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 chip-ID: 0bc2:ab38
class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter>
Device-2: 6-1.2:4 info: Seagate RSS LLC Expansion SW type: mass storage
driver: uas interfaces: 1 rev: 3.2 speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1
mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 power: 896mA chip-ID: 0bc2:2034 class-ID: 0806
serial: <filter>
Device-3: 6-1.3:5 info: Seagate RSS LLC Expansion SW type: mass storage
driver: uas interfaces: 1 rev: 3.2 speed: 5 Gb/s (596.0 MiB/s) lanes: 1
mode: 3.2 gen-1x1 power: 896mA chip-ID: 0bc2:203a class-ID: 0806
serial: <filter>
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 37.2 C mobo: 30.0 C gpu: amdgpu temp: 37.0 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Repos:
Packages: pm: pacman pkgs: 1887 libs: 490 tools: pamac pm: rpm pkgs: 0
pm: flatpak pkgs: 0
Active pacman repo servers in: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
1: https://mirror.vinehost.net/manjaro/stable/$repo/$arch
2: https://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/repo.manjaro.org/repos/stable/$repo/$arch
Processes:
CPU top: 5 of 472
1: cpu: 7.3%
command: RHS_Chelsea_Flower_Show_2026_-_03._Episode_3_m002wn0q_original.mp4
started-by: parole pid: 696452 mem: 59.6 MiB (0.4%)
2: cpu: 1.7% command: gvfs started-by: gvfsd-fuse pid: 1853
mem: 12.8 MiB (0.0%)
3: cpu: 1.5% command: Xorg pid: 1533 mem: 170.7 MiB (1.2%)
4: cpu: 1.0% command: librewolf pid: 2217 mem: 646.9 MiB (4.6%)
5: cpu: 0.7% command: thunderbird pid: 2205 mem: 526.8 MiB (3.7%)
Memory top: 5 of 472
1: mem: 646.9 MiB (4.6%) command: librewolf pid: 2217 cpu: 1.0%
2: mem: 526.8 MiB (3.7%) command: thunderbird pid: 2205 cpu: 0.7%
3: mem: 326.3 MiB (2.3%) command: librewolf pid: 5335 cpu: 0.0%
4: mem: 299.2 MiB (2.1%) command: soffice.bin pid: 3622 cpu: 0.0%
5: mem: 286.7 MiB (2.0%) command: librewolf pid: 6143 cpu: 0.0%
Info:
Processes: 472 Power: uptime: 17d 22h 45m states: freeze,mem,disk
suspend: deep avail: s2idle wakeups: 0 hibernate: platform avail: shutdown,
reboot, suspend, test_resume image: 5.42 GiB
services: upowerd,xfce4-power-manager Init: systemd v: 260
default: graphical tool: systemctl
Compilers: clang: 22.1.5 gcc: 16.1.1 Shell: Bash v: 5.3.9
running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.40
When both monitors are on, on each, right right into the desktop, click on “Desktop param” then select 3d tab. Compare both tabs, and set what may be incoherent.
Close both windows, exit session and reenter, then ???
This is a single monitor, Denis.
ooops, so what is into this desktop icons tab ?
I never got this request on my system.
When I turn on the monitor’s power. The computer is reading mail (thunderbird) and logs (klogg) all the time.
Just tried it here : no popup . Strange.
Have you tried to change some value into this desktop icons tab, exit and change again ? (stupid process but that solved at least 2 problems I had with Xfce …)
I’ve tried Apply after:
Always auto-assign
Allow auto-assign
Select (usual monitor)
Also close with no assignment, which does not blink the display.
(there are 3 options for each of 3 monitors)
Semi-offtopic question: why are you turning the monitor on and off with the button manually? Doesn’t the automatic monitor blanking after some time work? Maybe it has something with DPMS
I never turn off the computer but on retiring for the night I turn off the monitor - it saves (a little) power. 
It seems to me that switching the monitor causes it to be detected as a new monitor – in which case, the annoying “assign a desktop icon layout” prompt might arguably be expected – however, this is only supposition, at best.
Can you please give us a print-screen of this pop-up. i don’t see what it is.
I’ve been runninjg the system this way for decades, the past couple of decades with linux, about ten or so years with manjaro.
If you use hibernation, consider allowing the process to power down the display, instead. See if that makes a difference when you resume.
How many decades?
I presume you didn’t mean to infer the same system.
Including windows, since about 1980.
Linux, 20 or 30 years? At my age you lose track.
No, not the same system.
Monitor blanking can be configured in xfce4-screensaver-preferences
Or xfce4-power-manager-settings
xfce4-power-manager
There is no dedicated “security” tab anymore. Lock screen management was massively simplified and “Light Locker” was dropped. “lock-on-sleep” is now synchronized with xfce4-session and xfce4-screensaver.
Screen locking settings are now only handled by xfce4-screensaver to avoid conflicts. A button to open xfce4-screensaver-preferences was added:
I’m finding similar issues spanning several years; but, not similar enough – the majority of reports I’ve discovered concern multiple monitors, which is not the case here. I’ll keep looking.
I still have Windows 1.0 on a floppy image; a novelty, at best in these times.
Where does that come from ?
