[XFCE RC5] Isn't that beautiful?

I prefer from far an Android OSP based phone. Other linux based phones were failure every single time. Good night and good luck! :smiley:

Same try to obtain DJI Go 4 to control a Mavic Pro with Canonical phone solutions :slight_smile:

Thank you for the clarification. I also don't like the kind of talk against companies. I always abstain from that kinds of arguments. Snaps do make a lot more sense on the phone industry. Ubuntu failed on that department. Let's see how Manjaro goes.

The same recipe will lead to the same result. PhoneOS market is locked by Android and iOS since at least 2008-2009.

Good luck for trying to fix that!

Of course, you're correct. I apologize for my backhand remarks against Canonical, honestly.
I have a bad taste in my mouth regarding Ubuntu. But it's not an excuse.

And thank you for your clarifications.

Well, in all fairness, Canonical do have a habit of barging off in their own direction and getting stroppy when we don't all follow worshipping at the heels of Shuttleworth. They also have a history of somewhat dodgy privacy decisions.

All that said, in my case anyway, it's more about the concept of both snap and flatpack. Sure they're easier for developers to package, but they are a lot harder to trust. They will, I predict, turn out to be not much more secure that .exe files on Windows over the longer term. You could say the same , and probably worse, about the aur but it is easy to read through the build file and actually see what it is going to do then make an informed decision whether you trust it or not.

Another way of looking at this thread is that if we didn't think Manjaro was great and if we didn't care then we wouldn't worry and we'd just piss off somewhere else. Like I said earlier, have a backup plan and hope you don't have to use it!


I will not apologize for my mistrust of Canonical , they earned my mistrust by their disregard for user's privacy . It took them far too long for them to admit to some mistakes and correct them . I will try to keep an open mind going forward , because they have done a lot of good so we'll see . Trust but verify is my motto in regards to Manjaro . I do have backup's in place though .

Manjaro Juhraya ISOs got updated to RC6, including flatpak and snap support pre-activated via fpakman: XFCE, KDE, Gnome

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Unless you've used Gentoo or LFS.


In this & various other threads touching on this controversial topic, there seems to be an awful lot of Vroomfondelling and Majikthising going on. I'm just content to sit in the wings & await Deep Thought's eventual result.


In addition to EndeavourOS & ArchLabs, i've only just v recently discovered the Arch graphical installer Zen Installer https://sourceforge.net/projects/revenge-installer/. Having now learned more about it via https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEgW0xzLyEs & https://www.ostechnix.com/installing-arch-linux-using-revenge-graphical-installer/ & https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/06/10/arch-linux-os-challenge-2-alternatives-install-gui-script-easy/#cfb61964d940, I'm d/l it atm & feel keen to try it out soon. Spoiled for choice?

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Seems like one approach here is similar in nature to Fedora Silverblue, where you have an unchangeable base, but can install whatever you want on top of it without screwing up the base. This could come in handy for many applications, and especially in business where you don't want things to change or be changed accidentally by users who don't quite know what they are doing. Some say this is a future direction for GNU/Linux in general. As long as options remain, and the Manjaro team continues to offer what it has traditionally, I don't see an issue. Both cases are satisfied in this regard. As far as I see it, use repos, snaps, flatpak, appimage, just get the job done, any way possible.

As far as I know, Manjaro is allowing the users to use what they want and they want to make it convenient. Sometimes, we may not need some of the part and may call it bloatware. However, there is a large section people like to see most their requirements are installed by default. It would be difficult cater both the section at a time. The concept of Manjaro Community Editions allow us to create Manjaro in the way want and Manjaro provides many tools for that.

I feel the problem for some of our fellow mates are due to their earlier experiences. It is good have your eyes open and point of some unethical things going on. But, currently, I don't thing it is the situation. As the people concerned repeatedly saying they are doing these steps to take Manjaro some other level. It is normal that a developer wants the OS to be stable such that could be used in the phones and enterprise systems of (common) people.

**I trust the words of @philm as per my experience, Manjaro allows user to make their decisions in how to use it. **

** It is also great to hear that we are hopefully getting Manjaro phones or notebooks :smiley:**

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I definitely hold the banner for EndeavourOS. I have done pure Arch and well... I just can't be bothered with the install.
Remember, too, that EndeavourOS maintainers do NOT say they are the spiritual successors to Antergos, that is the media's own spin. Endeavour is closer (and will stay closer) to pure Arch, to the point of it lacking a graphical package manager by default.

arch install:

good for beginners since they learn about some parts of the system if they follow the wiki and not some weirdo 3rd party site
boring for more experienced user's who simply don't enjoy going through it

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People who want to know about all the changes made in RC6 of 18.1 can hear it live in couple of minutes or download it later ...

Of course Canonical has to be credited for what they have been able to achieve, but some the things just shouldn't have happened.
Like having difficult to remove bookmarks in the dock for Amazon.com or sending all local search queries to amazon and google servers to integrate online shopping results into Desktop search by default.
These are the kind of stories that come to (my) mind.
Still hope the architect remains maintained to be able to get minimal installs I have full control over.

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That's a separate maintainer within the community who's not part of the actual Manjaro dev team. So it'll be fine.

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Successfully [& quickly!!] used it to install a sparse KDE system, which i'm atm populating with my individually-chosen applications via Pamac. So far this method to install "pure" Arch [albeit in a way that of course the Arch purists will loudly decry] seems to be an absolutely wonderful alternative proposition to our burgeoning arsenal of escape-pods if things around here end up going seriously pear-shaped. For now i remain a very happy Manjaroo... but let's just say i have been judiciously tilling the ground just in case this particular paddock ends up fallow.

The only gripe i have atm with this nifty Zen Installer is that unless i missed it, it did not offer me a chance to encrypt my /home partition [i really possibly did just fail to notice it], so i shall have to do that manually later [or at least, i would/will if this ever stops just being a VM evaluation & instead hits my SSD for real].


You do know that the same kind of malware (crypto miner) has been found in AUR packages aswell, right?
And they both got fixed in about the same time frame.

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