My friend runs manjaro 16.10 XFCE on her laptop. After a few minor tweaks it ran smoothly. She really hasn’t had any issues except for the standard “how to”
This is true. When my wife got her first coding job after college, her co-workers–all male–gave her a huge, black, strap-on dildo, the inspiration being she was going to need to “swing a big dick” in order to convince her all-male co-workers that she was ‘worthy’ of entering their profession.
That was the extent of Women in Programming 30-some years ago. I am also sure that kind of attitude has not helped attract females in any degree.
If my language offends anyone, I apologize. This-this type of attitude and language is exactly what my wife was presented with upon her entry to the field.
My mom made sure I could do all of that long before Linux existed, and before I reached the 5th grade. As well as use a sewing machine to make the shirt (it wasn’t pretty), can fruit, plant and tend a garden, and type on a typewriter. She tried desperately to get me interested in playing the piano, but sadly I failed at that,.
I think that was the recognised way to bring children up in our day, and the correct way in my mind.
Women tend to be very fashion oriented. Things need to look sexy.
Many Linux distros do not look sexy and fashionable out of the box, but can be made to look that way after customization.
Linux needs to get a more sexy image and more brand awareness. Many people/women simply don’t know about it.
There’s probability, and there is possibility. What would you say the odds of that post being 51% (or greater) correct?
Considering the cute little pair of red socks with reindeer faces and Christmas trees on them my 58 year old wife purchased no more than 5 minutes ago, I would guess ‘probability’ barring any real statistics.
Stereotypical? Yeah, probably so.
My wife would kick you in the balls, if you were in the same room right now.
My wife was coding for massive mainframes when you were probably sucking on yo mama’s teats.
P.S. I’m serious about the balls part. The rest is fun in the age old “Yo Mama” tradition of doin’ the nines.
I said "Most’ of them, not All of them…
Well, seems the testerone is raging tonite… WOOOO HOOOOOO
But why does it matter how many women use Linux?
So sorry to know that your wife is very violent.
Indeed, and a kick in the boys is never a good thing.
I would never condone such a thing, but one must consider the repercussions of making such a statement…the boys are depending on it.
Nothing. People are either interested in Linux or they’re not. Just like people are either interested in knitting or they’re not. Or piano. Or ham radio. I have never heard anyone say, “What can we do to get more men to knit?”
And here is one female you’ll never see on Facebook.
I think this statement says much more about you than than women and Linux. If you actually knew any women you would realise just how ignorant and stupid your statement is. Either that or you are simply a willfully clueless, dedicated misogynist. Maybe try and meet get to know some women in the real world (ie not internet porn).
ps. also read this today, for what it’s worth…
While that was kind of interesting I am not sure how it relates to the gender divide being discussed here.
In my experience it is just that women are less interested in technology. If you were to look at STEM courses at universities you simply find a lot heavier weighting of females in disciplines like Biology and Psychology (often the majority) than you do in IT and Physics. I don’t particularly see this as an issue as all of these disciplines are important, sheer numbers going into STEM are more important than caring about why boys don’t want to be psychologists or girls don’t want to be engineers. Could just be down to the fact that females tend to be more social than males and IT has a tendency of attracting hermits.
But then again I am just a blob on the internet so maybe I don’t know anything.
Looking at all the replies on here I am more convinced than ever that it boils down to education, especially in the UK where certain subjects are seen as of more interests to boys than girls and the other way around. It can also be a nurture thing as well from a very young age, pink for girls and blue for boys, toy stores seperating aisles for boys and girls. So it could boil down to IT in general, teach a girl how to use MS Word and Excel as they will find that useful in the workplace, teach the boys CAD and Access so they can build the databases. Girls I think are less confident around IT in general because they are led to believe certain tasks are difficult when they are not, maybe we have not really become more equal in the workplace or even the home.
I disagree. My daughter excels in math and was encouraged to take computer programming in school (high school) and some business and finance classes, along with the normal college prep curriculum. She was really pressured by her teacher in her Alice class to continue on but she simply was not that interested. She was good at it, received an A, but much preferred her calculus and entrepreneurship and other business classes.
For myself, I have a wide variety of hobbies and interests. See my prior post for a sampling. Some are somewhat equal in male/female distribution, some are very heavily weighted one way or another. It’s not bothersome to me.
You can’t force equal outcomes. Equal opportunity does not mean you will end up with 50/50 men/women in all areas. Nor does a lack of that automatically mean one group was suppressed. Like it or not, men and women are different in many ways, both physically and psychologically. Is personal preference to be sacrificed on the alter of equal outcomes?
How would you define “use” here?
- installing it oneself and maintaining it and being really interested in Linux per se such that one visits Linux forums and really reads up on Linux/GNU news and information? This is akin to being a hobbyist, like a car enthusiast who tinkers with and works on his/her own car.
2.being comfortable using a Linux OS machine that was pre-installed or installed by someone else, and being able to update it on their own, but not otherwise being interested in Linux per se? They may not be that knowledgeable but if problems arise they know how to research or ask the right questions online. Majority of this group may have been brought into the Linux-using fold by another person, simply because Linux machines are not that common commercially. In a worst case scenario concerning their machine, they would go back to the person who set it up for them. Again, a parallel with car owners would be those who know enough to check the basics on their car but will send their car to the workshop for regular servicing or for repairs. Isn’t this the majority of car owners?
3.being comfortable using it but having someone else maintain and update it?
For me, #2 seems to be the most apt definition.
Further, apart from definition #1 I think that generally there is a generational divide rather than gender thing. I can see younger people being comfortable with using (definition #2) Linux as their OS because they are more used to different OSes and interfaces for different computing devices, including all the mobile and handheld ones. I’m sure quite a few people have, for example, an iPad, an Android phone, and a Windows laptop or PC all at the same time.
Do you really need to be interested in technology to be able to be comfortable with using (definition #2) Linux OS? I don’t think it correlates. The problem however for most definition #2 users is that pragmatism and practicality is the priority for them. They may be comfortable using Linux OS on their machine but it does not necessarily mean they will always use Linux, no matter what. If something else becomes more convenient for whatever reason, they may switch.
For definition #1, who really knows? This is the hobbyist/enthusiast group, and it’s already a small percentage. Maybe statistically the stereotype may indeed hold true as to there being more male hobbyists than female, but looking at forum members individually it may not be so easy to tell.