What push me out of Manjaro and what would make me coming back to

If you do not allow something that pushes you out of Manjaro, there is no need to come back :wink:

I’d be hard pressed to imagine a “linux average user”…
Must be a average with quite a large variety margin :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

That’s exactly what I like about Manjaro and why I think twice about whom I can suggest to use Manjaro.
I’ve been using Manjaro for several years now as my only desktop OS and (at least for me) it has always been stable and reliable.

I would not consider Manjaro nor Arch as my first choice for a server OS in a production environment, I use Ubuntu LTS or Debian for that.
Maybe if I had enough spare time, I might consider playing aroung with an Arch server…

But aside from that: Multiple target users does imply

  • multiple software selections
  • multiple *.iso build pipelines
  • orders of magnitude more work for testing
  • exponentially more support effort

I don’t know if the team would even be capable of handling such an increased workload.
I am happy with the great work they provide and I fully agree if they do not consider having multiple target users.

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Point of order…

Dr. Frankenjaro was the true monster;
the creature had no name. :wink:

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I wrote in bash “man jaro” and bash doesnt know manjaro. :stuck_out_tongue:

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out of curiosity;
if you quit Manjaro at some point because you felt it wasn’t for you anymore(and i assume you found an alternative that suits you best),why would you look back?what interest do you still have in this Distro?

i recently switched a smartphone OS for one that suits me better, and don’t bother with the previous one forum anymore.

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I’d like to install Manjaro XFCE on the new HDD on my parent’s PC, because I was a Manjaro XFCE user and I considered the XFCE minimal spin by Manjaro maybe the best implentation of this desktop.

I tried the latest ISO and I consider it very good, a very good system.

So, I would like Manjaro to support some of technologis I’d like to use (and many users like me).

I think Manjaro could have the potential to make the difference (again) in the Arch based world, It has just to offer more options, to be suitable for every kind of user.
What i think is that those addittions could be done relatively easily, and I think also other developers could be interested to contribute to maintain this stuff on Manjaro.

I’m still stand for Manjaro, despite I do not use it anymore on my machines.

Manjaro has still the potential, devs have only to make things happen.

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Not really
Arcolinux did it for many years, with mostly a single person in charge doing 90% of the stuff.

Arcolinux was not a distro. They only maintained a 3rd party repo and some scripts. A total different workflow … similar effort SbK Spins - Manjaro Linux Forum

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Please fork the relevant repo(s) - make the relatively easy changes - then create a merge request.

Or create a community spin like the SbK Spins mentioned above…

every arch based distro is focused in a kind of people, Manjaro is for intermediate and beginner people. I dont get why Manjaro should be different. That’s the philosophy of linux, too many flavours for too many kind of people. And then is Nixos, the weirdos of linux. :rofl:

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I’d change that slightly:

Manjaro is a friendly route into the Arch(-based) world. It suits people willing to learn, typically intermediate to more advanced users.

It’s not all that well suited to beginners, unless they have the inclination to learn-as-they-go.

Example …

I borked my first Manjaro installation a couple of months in due to all the experimentation I was doing before knowing enough of the intrinsicness of the system.

The present systems have been running for years …

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I’d say:
Manjaro (stable) is even more complicated than Arch - or Manjaro testing.

unsuspecting (or perhaps dyslexic) users assume Manjaro to be something it is not

anecdotal:
I have never ever had a problem with Arch or EOS - but many with Manjaro.
But that Manjaro experience was years ago - about a decade now.

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With pamac for installing installing/uninstalling/updating whatever and
automatically installing nvidia driver and so on, i only see easiness. I dont even use the bash ultimately, everyting can be done by GUI except some things.
What ppl should do is learn a couple of commands and not much more, tbh.
It`s only my opinion.

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While UNIX systems can be fairly user-friendly and mostly GUI-driven, what most people really should learn is that GNU/Linux is a UNIX system, and that UNIX is inherently a more technical platform than the consumer-oriented offerings from Microsoft and Apple — even though technically speaking, the latter is a UNIX system too, albeit that it’s the least UNIX-like of all UNIX systems.

UNIX was never designed as a consumerist platform. It was designed as a scalable, flexible and secure general-purpose multitasking and multi-user operating system.

Furthermore — and this might shock a number of people — UNIX was not designed to be hibernated, suspended or shut down. It was designed to stay up and running 24/7, because it ran on mainframes and minicomputers, and it makes clever use of time to carry out a number of maintenance tasks in the background. If you shut down, suspend or hibernate the system, then those tasks will all have to be carried out at the next power-up, which puts an unnecessarily intense thermal and electrical load on the hardware in the machine.

And if people were to actually understand all of this instead of thinking of GNU/Linux as a Windows replacement, they’d be having far fewer problems. Because the problem isn’t with GNU/Linux — or for that matter, with any other UNIX — but with people’s mental conception of it. It’s a different paradigm — a different way of thinking.

And you don’t have to know every command in the system. Even seasoned professionals don’t know every command. which is no surprise, given that the average UNIX system literally has hundreds of commands, versus the two dozen or so in MS-DOS.

But what one needs to understand is that many of the functions of the graphical environments are actually carried out by command-line tools, and that everything in the system is documented. Every command has a man page, and the apropos command will suggest commands and man pages based upon a keyword search.

And as for the alleged steep learning curve, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: the learning curve of GNU/Linux (or another UNIX) is no steeper than that of Microsoft Windows or even macOS for someone who has never seen a computer from up close.

The perceived steepness of the learning curve of GNU/Linux is simply the result of years of indoctrination with and conditioning by the way Microsoft Windows works, combined with the echo chambers of Windows-centric computer magazines.

It’s not difficult to learn how to use GNU/Linux. It’s just very, very difficult for most people to break free from the Windows paradigm.

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A minimalist Manjaro flavor is Manjaro Sway Edition. But it’s probably too much of a power user distro if you like XFCE best.
Manjaro Architect Installer was already mentioned but I’m not sure how well does it work. I haven’t tested it for years.
PS: And no one stops you from installing Manjaro by CLI the Arch way.