What happened to Manjaro Net edition?


#10

You will get the very same DE installed you see in live session, if you select DE.


#11

Thanks. I guess it will be confusing in this transitional phase.

At first I am trying Manjaro-Architect as if it’s closest to Net and what I intended to play around tonight. It’s installing right now, so far so good. Looks nice and simple. Later on will try also lxqt version but without DE.


#12

The mechanics behind calamares in this config, it works like pacstrap.
It downloads every single package.


#13

@artoo: however the display of progress is not yet finished and therefore we recommend to start CAL with sudo -E calamares -d and post us any errors if any. In regard of Architect, please go to this thread.


#14

Its the best possible with current implementation, we got only 5% of the full progressbar available for the module.
However, the progressbar moves, as opposed to the packages module in hybrid mode.


#15

Yah, I know. I just wanted to mention it as it currently may look a little odd not moving :wink:


#16

It moves, that was my criteria to do netinstall, at least people see its doing something. :slight_smile:

PS: Technically, the module exceeds the limit, but the bar stops moving after it used up 5% overall, or 100% in the module. You can see it in the debug with the float stopping around 1.5…


#17

I tested both: Manjaro-Architect and Manjaro LXQT Net

  1. Manjaro-Architect turned out to be very complex and difficult yet very good installer, suitable for advanced users. No issues there, I got fully working and manjaro customized desktop environment. I was surprised and very happy with some options like ability to choose not only DE but also if it’s manjaro configured or if I want full or minimal install.
  2. Manjaro LXQT was a disaster from start till the end. I received trashed, unusable system and the whole installation process was unrewarding and confusing. More details here:

#18

I thought the Net edition was one of the most interesting options of Manjaro! Sad to see it gone. Why remove it already without a fully functioning replacement?

The Net edition was bare bones and easy to install, while at the same time giving the user the option to build anything manually on top of a minimal Manjaro install. It was beautiful. I’ve really learned a lot from it. Glad I saved the last ISO. I need it to mess around with window managers.

I’ve been curious about Manjaro-Architect, but it doesn’t sound as straight forward as the Net edition was.


#19

But it actually is. As well as the new hybrid Calamares ISOs, where you can deselect all DE and GUI packages and will get a plain base system installed.
For the rest of your objections, please, read the thread (again).


#20

Could you elaborate? Aren’t they both just boot and sudo setup


#21

Well, I hope I’m wrong. It’s just that the first impression is more confusing.

If I wanted a minimal install to build from, I’d simply download the Net edition. It offered a minimal install and that’s what it did. Now I have to download a DE ISO and deselect the DE to achieve the same thing? I assume this option won’t be restricted to Lxqt, but the thought of downloading, say, a KDE ISO when my intention is to install nothing but a lightweight window manager is hardly straight forward.

As for Manjaro-Architect I have to admit I missed completely that it had been officially released! I only saw this post where one was greeted with the words “THIS IS NOT READY FOR PRODUCTION ! ONLY USE IN A TEST-ENVIRONMENT !” :sweat_smile: I’ll certainly try it out now.


#22

It’s just that my first impression is that it aims to be even more complex and offer even more options. Don’t get me wrong - I’d still welcome it and use it! :slight_smile: Like I replied above, I completely missed somehow it was released. I was wondering why a working Net edition was dropped entirely when its replacement seemed to be still in testing. Now I know. :sweat_smile:

I’ll give Manjaro-Architect a go when I get home from work. Looking forward to it and hoping it will be awesome.


#23

It is complex when you get to the advanced installation but it is very easy and straightforward to use. There’s even a tutorial: Installation with Manjaro-Architect ISO


#24

Really happy to see a rich tutorial for the TUI installer! I’ll get with the program. :grin:


#25

To end up with what used to be a netinstall you can just follow the Architec tutorial until just before “2.4. Install Manjaro Desktop” - network drivers will already be installed automatically. After that, if you like, you may continue with “Install Bootloader” and “Configure Base”. :slight_smile:


#26

Actually, net edition was dropped before manjaro-architect was even in the works. Net edition was dropped because the old cli-installer didn’t work with the new isos anymore. That’s why manjaro-architect was started:there was no net edition anymore and I did not want qt dependencies in bspwm edition…


#27

Thanks for the heads up! I had no idea! Those are some really valid reasons. :thumbsup:

Now I’m just feeling excited about tinkering with manjaro-architect! :grin:


#28

Maybe we add a simple mode option to Architect or make the optional steps possible more visual that they are optional.


#29

That could be a good idea. I came across some things in manjaro architect that I never heard about but assumed they are optional, so I skipped them. Installation was a success so I guess I was right. But still, this can be very confusing and I recall arch architect to be a bit easier (just basics, not so many options), so pointing out what elements are a must and which are optional should be very helpful.