I haven’t shared the result of inxi -zv8 yet because I’m reviewing the group rules to post those results. and I’m limited on time, I have workers doing repairs at my house and a child to take to school, feed, etc. I’ll catch up.
posting the inxi would have taken you the same time that you took telling the reason for not posting it …
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El teclado en Manjaro si funciona, en Mabox no.
Hace un tiempo un usuario de este foro me sugirió que cuando pase mucho tiempo sin actualizar, instalara de nuevo pues eso llevaría menos problemas y menos tiempo, lleva más de un año sin actualizarse porque donde tenía ubicada la máquina no tenía acceso a internet.
Descargué la última iso de Manjaro para realizar una nueva instalación por si falla la actualización y para rescatar Mabox pero la iso también me da el mismo error que Mabox.
Anoche lo probé en la notebook y funciona perfecto.
Recién leyendo tu respuesta me doy cuenta de un error que cometo desde mis inicios en Linux, siempre buscaba información durante la actualización pero va demasiado rápido como para poder leer y lo que debo leer son los anuncios de actualización.
En Mabox me sugirieron no hacer un meld de los pacnew por lo que dejé de hacerlos.
Debo retirarme, en cuanto tenga información para aportar a la posible solución, regreso.
Muchas gracias.
I think you’ll find some beginners that disagree.
It’s an attempt at saving people a lot of frustration.
Building a pc doesn’t require any electronics knowledge. It may require some knowledge about computer hardware though.
I understand that there is an issue of how this information is published and that is why I did not publish it.
While I believe there is no need to ever be rude or arrogant on the forum, I believe it is wise to be totally frank about what sort of distro Manjaro is and what sort of time/effort commitment the user can expect to have to put in.
It is good to manage expectations properly [ie, it is not a ‘one click to update’ distro and maintenance is needed occasionally] so that the newcomer knows what they are getting into.
And I agree, newcomers can indeed use Manjaro. We were all newcomers once. However, you said in your first paragraph,
The assumption in that statement is that the person must be willing to learn and spend the time asking for help, doing relevant searches on the forum or web.
The person for whom Manjaro is not suited is one who doesn’t want to learn, doesn’t want to spend time on maintenance and checking update announcements, who thinks everything must be automated, and generally uses their computer more like an appliance.
And that’s fine, there’s no judgement there. There are other distros that will suit them better. At least if they know early what to expect in Manjaro, they can focus on finding the distro that suits them.
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there are ways to translate - quite easy
copy/paste into translate.google.com for instance
but why would you post spanish in an otherwise english forum?
In fairness, there are some beginners for which such an article is a valid consideration, and it’s often difficult to determine who might be better suited to another distribution.
Some people, perhaps such as yourself, may have a natural aptitude for learning something new. Others don’t seem interested in much more than having everything done for them.
Perhaps the article should actually have been titled “Manjaro isn’t for everyone”, because frankly, that much happens to be true; but, it is what it is. 
Cinnamon with an Arch derivative base such as Manjaro might have performed better than Cinnamon on a Debian/Ubuntu base, which LMDE is.
That said, I may have been swayed by memories of using Cinnamon on a machine of that vintage myself, which I recall performed well enough for my needs at the time.
All hardware is not equal, however.
LXQt really is lightweight and comparable with OpenBox and the like; used with Wayland, it’s sure to be generally performant.
I believe there was a Manjaro LXQt community edition ISO at one time; alas, no more; however, it might be possible to install LXQt from the official repositories manually. Someone else will need to confirm that, and I’m not 100% certain a meta-package exists.
Notwithstanding, OpenBox is likely worth looking at; I’ve seen nothing negative about it’s suitability for low-end (or old) hardware.
I rather like the idea of Cosmic though I confess I know little about it, except that it’s very new and apparently quite lightweight.
Perhaps it will be adopted by Manjaro Summit (an immutable OS) when it’s eventually released, though it’s probably too early to guess.
This Manjaro edition aims to provide an environment more in keeping with new user expectations of an OS; which is something that (like its parent Arch) Manjaro as a rolling release, can’t always provide.
Mod note:- Posts in any language apart from English should normally be made in the appropriate language category. Changing languages mid-thread can be confusing for those who wish to help. Please try to maintain only English responses in general forum areas.
“A while ago a user of this forum suggested that when a long time goes by without updating, I install it again because that would take less problems and less time”
The user was correct in suggesting that. Manjaro, being a rolling release Linux distribution (like Arch) actually requires that updates be managed quite frequently; otherwise, as was often found on maps in the time of Columbus “There be dragons here”.
“I downloaded the latest iso of Manjaro to perform a new installation in case the update fails and to rescue Mabox but the iso also gives me the same error as Mabox. Last night I tried it on my laptop and it works perfectly.”
The problem appears to be kernel support for older hardware.
The current Manjaro ISO’s install a much later kernel (by default) than is optimal for your hardware.
From the Mabox Users Guide;
These kernels are quite old by Linux standards, however, Manjaro does support kernels 5.15 (LTS) and the older 5.4 (LTS), only Mabox uses them by default.
Installing the older kernels might take a little trickery. They will likely need to be installed from a chroot environment, if Manjaro can’t boot as it stands with a more current kernel.
A complication might be that an older kernel is also needed for the USB to boot also. Did Manjaro actually boot from the USB and complete the install, or did it not even get that far?
In any case, it looks that success may possibly take some non-standard workarounds.
“In Mabox they suggested not to make a meld of the pacnew so I stopped making them.”
With Manjaro, attending to .pacnew files is important; sometimes critical, depending upon the changes to be made. These changes are often unique to your system, and there is no reliable way to automate the process at this time.
Mabox might suggest not to touch them, but with Manjaro it is a requirement. On this point, you should probably dedicate some time to understand the reasoning behind the Mabox suggestion and then delve deeper into the reasons to follow Manjaro recommendations concerning .pacnew files.
As previously mentioned, any personally identifiable information is filtered from the inxi output. You can run the command I gave in your terminal and see for yourself.
Without this information provided, any help will be limited mainly to generalisms and guessing.
De nada.
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Excellent. I think it’s a very easy-to-understand analogy.
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No, that is a common misunderstanding.
Linus Torvalds only developed a kernel, and he did it for himself, because he was using Minix on his own computer while studying at the University of Helsinki, but Minix was only 16-bit at the time, while Linus had a 32-bit machine, and the Minix license did not allow it to be modified.
He later on shared his code on Usenet, but only with the intent of getting it to a fully working state. The rest of the operating system mainly comes from the GNU Project, and the graphical desktop environments we know today didn’t even exist yet — there was the X11 framework, and there were window managers, yes, but definitely nothing like Plasma, GNOME, Xfce, LXQt, or the likes.
It was only later, after most of GNU had been ported to Linux — which is only the kernel of the system — and Linus attended a symposium by Richard Stallman, that Linus relicensed his kernel under the GNU GPL.
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soundofthunder said above
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Installing the older kernels might take a little trickery. They will likely need to be installed from achrootenvironment, if Manjaro can’t boot as it stands with a more current kernel.
A complication might be that an older kernel is also needed for the USB to boot also. Did Manjaro actually boot from the USB and complete the install, or did it not even get that far?
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In the event that all the Manjaro isos that you can find already have kernels that are too new for your machine,
MX Linux also has a nice chroot tool called chroot-rescue-scan.
MX21 is still supported and uses the 5.10 kernel.
You can download the MX21.3 iso from
and make a live USB with it, then run it live and use their chroot tool to try to sort out the problems on your Manjaro installations.
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Mabox Linux is a Manjaro Linux spin - using Openbox Window Manager and a set of customizations using bash. Mabox Linux provides a custom repo for this.
The current mabox is using Linux 6.6 but as the core is Manjaro - you can easily switch to 6.12.
I suspect the maintainer and developer of Mabox Linux has been active within Manjaro Community since back in the early beginnings even before I joined Manjaro Linux.
Should Mabox Linux cease to exist - you can easily switch it to pure Manjaro LInux - should Manjaro Linux cease to exist - you can switch to Arch Linux. Late Jonathon wrote a guide on the subject several years ago - I kept it around https://root.nix.dk/en/notes-and-bookmarks/convert-manjaro-to-arch.
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There seems to be some disparity between the Mabox Users Guide and actuality – the Mabox Repo mentioned does indeed list later kernels;
If you did in fact use the more current Mabox ISO, it’s likely your actual hardware remains only compatible with the older kernel(s), which might go a long way toward explaining why neither the current Mabox or Manjaro ISO’s are working for you.
@wongs mentioned MX Linux as a possible means to workaround boot issues, and enter chroot. With such old hardware, it might be time to consider an alternative Linux distribution; MX Linux might be a candidate.
Regards.
Hello everyone.
I have had many responses to my post.
I’m not going to continue the discussion of whether Manjaro is for everyone or not.
I have my own point of view on this and if anyone disagrees they can continue with their own. That discussion does nothing to solve user problems and I am not willing to give up my place within Manjaro in any of its versions.
That said, I come to this forum with my doubts after exhausting all the way I could find, I looked for information on the web, consulted groups outside this forum, read, tested and when I could not do more I entered the forum to ask for help, not to be explained that Manjaro is not for me. So please, those who are not willing to help, do not intervene. Thank you very much.
Those who are willing to help offered help. You refused it. 