Ubuntu does not see it like this.
This whole legal/illegal discussion is nonsense. Nobody will sue anybody for proprietary drivers coming with the OS. Nobody was or will be sued for providing nvidia drivers in a distro and nobody will be sued because he provides zfs mdoule binaries.
Who should should sue whom? This whole discussion is ridiculous. Ubuntu understands that.
If it is a legal possibility then you donât take the risk, it is understandable.
This is not about user land applications like games. This is about kernel modules. This has nothing to do with any proprietary programs you might want to use. You are misunderstanding the whole topic big time.
Please read this:
Havenât seen anyone mention yet that arch already has nvidia drivers compatible with linux59 on testing.
nvidia drivers are working with stock 5.9 kernel. It is just the opencl support that is not working.
If nvidia opencl is working for arch, then they must have patched the kernel.
I donât understand what all this fuss is about then. Not like it matters for the vast majority of Manjaro users.
You did not understand what this whole thread is about in the first place.
So what youâre saying is that anyone who buys a PC running Windows 10 and a nice Nvidia card got it wrong and shouldnât even bother the headache of testing a Linux install?
Iâm ok with my intel graphics for now - but this is a huge issue. Even buying a WiFi dongle for Linux gives headaches⌠and itâs the #1 bug with Linux that itâs just not default for support.
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Again ⌠complain to broadcom and the likes about it ⌠when you find they dont care ⌠then dont buy those devices.
This is a support forum not a debate club.
I think users who currently run nvidia cards are just worried that they may not be able to run manjaro in the future thats all. We all obviously love the distro and no one wants to make a switch just because of the hardware they already have
Unfortunately, the day Manjaro doesnât support Nvidia, lot of people, me included, will probably switch to another distro making it possible to continue gaming on Linux.
Not so fast. That is basically kicking sand in the face of customers who are under the valid belief as of present that nVidia is the best at graphics rendering and scientific computational tasks.
The moment AMDâs Radeon group quits keeping their thumbs in their collective asses and pulls out something that isnât a hot steaming pile of junk priced similarly to nVidia products, as their processor team had done for Ryzen then yes, I would be all in for a pro-AMD argument and not even begin to defend customer purchasing decisions which run counter to the open-source narrative.
Until then, even if it betrays everything Linux stands for, we need to figure out some way of supporting nVidia products. Not that it matters because Microsoftâs in The Linux Foundation currently and IBMâs been grabbing open-source by the sack to co-opt it into proprietary software for over a decade now.
Look, I am not saying nvidia shouldnt be supported ⌠just that its not exactly the fault of linux when it isnt. Nor the distro, nor ⌠whatever ⌠its nvidias fault. So from an open-source perspective then yes nvidia is the wrong one to buy or âsupport with your purchaseâ.
The amount of crud that gets slung because of it is ⌠frustrating to say the least ⌠so at times I end up not feeling too different from the sway developer:
Dev Rant blog post- âF-you-nvidiaâ
Hello,
@cscs is absolutely right. This is 2020, Hardware manufactures of video should not use drivers as a way of having a monopoly. Linux is just a OS at the end of the day and it really should not matter when it comes to having drivers available for the hardware to work. Manufacturers have use the excuse of R&D is too much to make their drivers work across platforms. However, Microsoft was responsible for the current situation, by making sure they controlled both the hardware and software in order to keep their monopoly in place. If people want to leave Linux because they canât use NVIDIA products, Then go for it. Linux will still exist and someone else will come along and fill the void. However, arm just might make this video fanboy-ism mute anyway. I donât use Linux because of NVIDIA or AMD, but due to the fact it gives me the freedom I need to use my computer without limitations and enormous amounts of money spent to pay for a license. To be honest what NVIDIA, Microsoft and others are doing is racketeering at best.
Nvidia makes drivers for Linux and from what I can see they work. If the Linux foundation of which Microsoft, IBM and other corporations like Google are members of, are putting in code that makes Nvidia drivers not work in the new kernels then it is not Nvidia who is to blame but the Linux foundation.
That is what I am seeing from this argument. It is the operating system that should be trying to make sure it is compatible with the hardware. I want the choice of which hardware to buy. On this computer I have an AMD processor and an AMD GPU, My wifeâs laptop has an AMD APU, my other two computers are Intel with Nvidia. I have no fanboyism at all. The point of me going to Linux is that I want choice not some dictate as to what I should use.
If Nvidia was saying they wouldnât support Linux users that would be a different story.
Oh and FYI: ARM was just bought by Nvidia last month.
I understand your point of view. I will say this, without software there is no computers, therefore the hardware vendors should make sure their product works. NVIDIA does not add their drivers to the Kernel, as far as I have read, but loads them via a module outside of the kernel. Why? because they donât want to give up their proprietary License.
Linux was built to be opensource and with freedom from proprietary software. Have you read the âCathedral and the Bazaarâ It is believed by Stallman and others, that there should be no barriers to being able to use the hardware of your choice. Without drivers the hardware doesnât work and neither does the software.
As I stated, NVIDIA should be working will all platforms to make sure their hardware works, without restriction. Linux should not be left out regardless of whether it is part of some foundation. Ask Torvaldâs what he thinks of NVIDIA, after all he is the maker of the Kernel and opensourced it so all can use it, without blame
I think thats the exact opposite of the situation.
Please read up on the licensing, the issues, so on and so forth.
Heck ⌠just search âLinus Torvalds and Nvidiaâ.
I havenât followed the whole exchange between the devs since then, but the way i see it, itâs just a case of âweâre tired of refusing modifications because they donât respect our guidelines, so weâve added a kill-switch that will prevent anything not following those from working, so stop tryingâ. But because of long-time animosity / legal licensing / not open source / rainy weather, people are making a fud about it.
I mean, in the end, isnât the solution just to interface the patch the other way around? Whatâs so difficult?
