An IP address cannot be used to point to country of origin - could be a vpn - even a tunnel jumping through several layers e.g. tor project.
The map is (I am guessing) based on the locale data you mention.
And the whole point is to not collect personal information but only systems in active use - systems which only connects once - is (again I am guessing) is likely to be ignored - as systems connecting once then no more has likely a test being wiped afterwards.
I know I have installed countless distributions - used for a few hours then wiped the system.
HANDS OFF MY DATA ! Opt-Out is a disgrace and embarassment ! respect the users ! if you need “data” then ask instead of using rude methods as ■■■■■■■■■ does !
Manjaro is a commercial company. At least this telemetry is transparent and can be turned off.
And so far all the functions of the os are free. If they decide to want payment for aome of the updates like ****** does, or make a store with paid apps like ***** it would be legitimate. It is of course another matter how many of the users will change distro
They have the right to do what they want, the users too.
From moral libre foss etc. Point of view i find opt in best, but some of the users are complaining a bit too much…like they pay for the distro. Interestingly, many of those use Opera, Vivaldi, Chrome or even Firefox with default settings which gather telemetry AND serve ads without even asking, but that does not appear to be a problem.
me ???
collecting data without the explicit permission of the user by running it in background is misleading the users, especially the noobs that want to trust their operating system. keep in mind that most of the new users to linux came from windows exactly cause the rude behaviour of data “collecting”. using this “mdd” as an opt-out is misleading all the users that are not aware about it. THIS is misleading and contrary to the basic rule that you have to respect the user in general. ask the users if they want to participate but keep the hands off data collecting without explicit permission of the users. opt-out is a nasty and rude behaviour. period.
I think the problem is not what data is collected, but that it’s supposed to be the default for new systems.
KDE also has a telemetry system similar to the one you want to implement, but it is reported at first launch and always disabled by default. How will the new user know about this mechanism? will be notified?
It’s not a problem, it’s just the facts. And the fact is that for Manjaro continue to exist even, there has to be money. Where do you get money?
Well, other people of course. But they’ll only hand it over for certain reasons. One of them being they need to see their money in a good place.
If it is, sure go ahead and have some. If not, then you don’t get more. As easy as that.
If you don’t want it, if it’s too much for you to even share this little non-personal info, you can always spend money on a proprietary system that spies more on you, doesn’t give you the option to disable it and generally gives you less and less control of your own computer.
a Proprietary system, mind you, that hides what they do and then tell you not to worry. That has been caught with their hands in the cookie jar in the in the past. None of that which applies to, or is Manjaro…
Yes - apparently you are confusing Manjaro Linux’s legitimate interest in some basic hardware and systeminfo, with the google, facebook, instagram mastodonts data collection.
The actual implementation is yet to be decided - this is the initial heads-up - transparency - about what.
And that is exactly what this is about - basic hardware and system info…
The maintainers of the distro I’ve been happily running for the past four years, for free, wants me to help out with running a one-liner in the terminal to collect, IMO, totally harmless data? I’m in.
that “legitimate” is a subjective impression, but let’s talk about the legal aspects:
you’ll have to agree the microsoft-license-agreement if you use ms-windowsthat allows microsoft to ignore state’s legal laws by accepting the “microsoft-rules” but linux hasn’t any license-agreement breaking the legal-rules. for this manjaro as a company in europe has to comply the european rules for data-security and it is forbidden by legal-rules to gather data without the explicit permission of the user ! gathering data’s without informing the user to agree and running this as a systemd-service in background is not legal. it doesn’t matter how “harmful” or “harmless” the data’s are. you’re system-info as example seems to be harmless but it’s a fortune to others that can use your system-infos as a fingerprint to trigger you.
@philm
where is the licence-aggreement that the users have to confirm allowing manjaro to gather datas ? microsoft has, but if you want to use such methods then you’ll have to add a licence-agreement that the users have to agree regardless of the european- and german data-security-laws. otherwise this use of collected datas without permission is not legal.
Thank you for all the work you’re putting into improving Manjaro’s user metrics and transparency with Manjaro Data Donor (MDD)! It’s encouraging to see the push for clearer, more accurate statistics and the choice to make this tool open source.
However, I have concerns about making MDD opt-out, rather than opt-in. I’m not against carefully designed telemetry in principle—especially if it helps the project thrive—but forcing users to actively opt out goes against the open-source spirit and, frankly, the privacy expectations of many users in the Manjaro community.
Free software is about giving users full control over their systems, including the choice to share data or not. I believe that any form of telemetry should respect this autonomy and default to opt-in, allowing users to consciously choose participation rather than requiring them to seek out a way to disable it.
Manjaro has built a strong reputation around user trust and privacy, and continuing to make telemetry a choice will maintain that trust. I hope we can find a middle ground that respects privacy without compromising the data needed to improve the project.
Thanks again for the transparency and for giving the community a say in this!
