[Stable Update] 2018-12-02 - Kernels, Plasma, Mesa, Cinnamon, Gnome, Deepin, XFCE, Vulkan

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#90

ok but what about an switch button in pamac which uses ctrl+alt+f2 to tty for upgrades
or an notification for upgrades to do in a tty
some people dont check forum so an notification for recommended way to upgrade system

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#91

We only can test as much as we do. I’m running XFCE and KDE on my end. If you look at the testing threads you might notice that we also had issues posted against Pamac. The testing update was even tagged to crash your system:

We always try to find a way. Since a TTY update worked, we went thru with the update. Most likely the issue is due to systemd. Since nasty security issues we had to push it at some point.

That is why we also do announcements on twitter and youtube.

With the upcoming homepage we will even track all news necessary.

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#92

youtube, forum, twitter is all good but most important is in pamac.there is need to show notification or news section. in which it tells user to do an certain upgrade in tty, as this upgrade might cause problems when done in gui.
an regular manjaro linux user might not be checking any social media but uses pamac.to do updates.
it can be applied for the stable branch only.
as mostly newbies are stable users.some of the problems may be avoided with this.advanced user dont need this.but pamac need to show when an upgrade is big it need to be done in tty.

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#93

Yes, that was my first attempt to fix it.

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#94

I agree with you as well. I am not a noob with Linux but also not that smart yet to know that I MUST need a terminal in some cases. Luckily I tested it on my laptop first which I barely use so I can learn from this experience but I was also under the assumption that some updates would be installed but only ‘active’ after a machine restart so to speak. So that it does not interfere with currently running processes.

I would not expect a update to replace/update things that are currently in use.

I do hope that the update manager will get a system that notifies the user that doing it through the terminal is highly recommended. I did went to the forum first before updated but didn’t think about the GUI terminal and the other terminal so I went with the GUI terminal which is probably just as bad as using the package manager.

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#95

XFCE4 panel issues here also. OK after boot, but after minimizing a few windows to it, it disappeared and I couldn’t get access to it.

’ sudo downgrade xfce4-panel-gtk3 ’ to ’ xfce4-panel-gtk3-4.13.3-11-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz ’

has solved that for me.

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XFCE panel issues after 2018-12-02 Update
#96

It was stupid of me to ruin my stable Cinnamon during this update. I didn’t read the warning and updated via Terminal. Oh well, it was one of my side OSes so no big loss. Testing KDE, Windows 7 and data partitions are still intact. I’m reinstalling stable MATE anyway.

P.S. Don’t be like me! Read the warning and do as directed! :cry:

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#97

I’m not sure what you mean, because the described problem has nothing to do with GNOME, it has to do with the kernel. Your experience only means that your laptop is not affected by the problem. As said, a fresh installation with working suspend, then the upgrade and suspend is broken, then installing of the older kernel and suspend is working again. Means something has changed with the new kernel that is causing this problem, and it has nothing to do with the used DE.

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#98

And thats an ongoing Issue that we face 2-3 times a year. It would be nice to do it like gnome-software and download the packages in background, restart to an “update environment”, update, restart to the normal system. So the user does not have to fear GUI crashes, that lead to many hard resets and because of this broken updates.
Thing is that not all users read the forums and it’s completely manjaros fault if we shipp updates that are known to crash something.

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#99

No, please. I hated that about gnome software when I first started using Korora. I switched to updating in the terminal emulator while logged into Gnome desktop (not tty), except for upgrades to the next Fedora release.

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#100

Hi!!!
Updated the desktop pc via pamac without problems. The update of the laptop using the terminal but with gnome graphical session started, broke the system and I could not restart

Thanks for Manjaro!

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#101

Five machines updated via TTY-terminal. Absolutely no issues so far. Awesome work Manjaro team!

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#102

Gnome 4.19 Nvidia, no problems here.

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#103

Just did the stable upgrade using “pacman -Syu” in TTY in an X session with Cinnamon Edition. Rebooted ok. No issues found yet.
One thing though that bothers me after the upgrade of the kernel is that the IO scheduler got changed from “cfq” to “mq-deadline”. The cfq scheduler option is removed. As I have only classic spinning HDD drives I would like to return to “cfq” but it is not available anymore.

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#104

but it will be like how windows updates work just when to download update and upgrade is in the hands of user

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#105

Simply do all upgrades in TTY and be done with it…

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#106

If you’re that paranoid, start with nosmt=force or better with l1tf=full boot parameter, both should disable SMT.

EDIT: Lots of spectre/speculation related patches incoming to 4.19.7.

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#107

And thats OK for you. But by default we should choose a save way to update. Manjaros update right now is a guessing game and at some point you will lose. Thats simply not a OS I want to use/support. Would this happen to ubuntu the trolling would be great.

Nothing is wrong with that. As long as it works without a big risk like “stop your Xsession or you will maybe lose your OS” many users will not care if its like Windows or Mac or whatever. GNOME chooses this path not because they are bad or want to make you suffer, but because it’s more save to update this way.

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#108

You probably have a recent kernel with multi-queue activated, there’s no cfq scheduler for multi-queue.

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#109

For what it’s worth, I updated my laptop in normal terminal emulator from within xfce-gtk3 (not tty) as I didn’t read the announcements for 2nd Dec updates. I only updated my laptop last night to grab the end November updates, and the 2 Dec forum notice hadn’t dropped yet. So instead of just getting the latest Nov updates, I got the 2 Dec updates as well.

No problem with the update itself, no crashes. Just have the “usual” reversion of theming in Thunar-gtk3 and panel in my laptop, post-update.

Haven’t updated PC yet as I didn’t expect it, but I will do it via tty.

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