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Can you please read the complete post?
Don’t ask me “What I’m talking about” before read. Thanks.
And please let’s not make a war discussion of this, I shared what 3 totally new users had done. My wife and my sons.

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Yeah, Chris Titus Tech did the same

Thx; I am looking at it right now and it’s nice and useful comments:

I read it all, that’s why I replied to it.

I think most of you miss the point of their challenge.

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Yes he want to play games only.
In my post I explain that. My sons can play without that mess Linus did with no reason.

Linus avoid the mess he did talking about the developers issues of Linux in general. Not the main reason of the “challenge” either.

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you can see more parts of this challenge on Floatplane if you’re impatient,but with a $subscription.

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I’m enjoying a lot using Manjaro KDE and also the Linux challenge and all feedbacks.

If if brings more users, it could bring rich ones to increased Manjaro funds troughs donations and the team can increase in size/quality.

Considering Linux try outs for new user due to the subject exposition in the social media, Manjaro forum can be flooded next months :smiley:

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I think you have missed the point of the challenge. Linus has set out 6 steps to the challenge, the first part of the challenge is around setting up and gaming, yes I’ll agree with you on this but there are other parts to the challenge that have not yet been release.

If you watch The WAN Show the other parts of the challenge cover the day to day things that average users do, and actually Linus (and Luke) where very complementary about how easy Manjaro (and Mint) have been to use day to day. I believe Luke (the Co-host of The WAN Show) has converted hit laptop to Mint as a daily driver because it has been easier to use, more stable and feature rich than Windows. So I believe you when you say that both you sons and wife have moved to Linux without issue, I could probably do the same, but this isn’t everyone’s experience which is exactly the point.

Linus is completely correct to criticise installers, DE’s etc etc because without “ease of use” larger adoption of Linux just will not happen. The biggest problem [I think] that Linux faces is proprietary drivers. Every single one of my problems i have found with Linux is around some company that refuses to either write a driver for Linux or make it open source. From wireless cards to mice, its the same problems.

Looking forward to the next couple of videos!

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Actually many of Linus staff is a Linux user. As of 2021 his last Windows server was switched to Linux. We Finally Did it Properly - "Linux" Whonnock Upgrade - YouTube. If you dig deeper in his videos you can see some of his staff really tuned in with Linux and also use it as a daily driver. Someone like Anthony for example. There are several videos made over the years by LTT " why switch to Linux" … Linus was mocked many many times over the years in some of his videos by colleges when something went wrong " This wouldn’t be an issue in Linux" … In this “challenge” he specifically wanted to make sure non of his Linux expert staff have an input in his experience so he can duplicate what would it feel like for a Linux noob to migrate. That being said the " challenge " was to try switching from Windows to Linux as a daily driver and see how it goes for a first time user. A wise community and developers will see this video as an 1. opportunity: on the negative feedback to fix some things and make the transition easier. 2. competition: see where we excel against other Distros and what we can take away from better solutions from others. 3. Exposure: Be it positive or negative the Manjaro name will definitely circulate more online which is a good thing. I been around Linux since it’s creation 1991 and actively using the system since the late 90s. In my opinion whatever the outcome will be, it is a great publicity and opportunity for the Linux community. I'm learning a lot about the Linux Community... - YouTube

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Agree this was a major embarrassment for Pop!_OS. A Linux distro advertising itself as best tuned for gaming have this fail on installing steam. Ouch!!! They did respond withing a day and fixed it, but Ouch!!!. As for pulseaudio I think Manjaro ironed out some bugs in the last few years but we defiantly need to put more time into perfecting it. Mint team: I found the os pretty solid with generally even less issues then Ubuntu. Sure they have their issues ( like the window lagg bug) and there are many things we do much much better over mint but there is always something we can learn from competition.

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Hah. The idea of a windows server at all is hilarious.
The idea of some operation ‘finally’ changing it in 2021 is also a bit funny.

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True, anyone claiming that AMD have zero issues are kidding themselves and NVIDIA also improved a looooot on Linux over the years. However in probability if your run both cards NVIDIA will have more problems statistically. I don’t do fanboy crap. I look at the price/performance when upgrading to a new GPU be it AMD, NVIDIA or now Intel. I have the philosophy that you vote with your dollars. AMD a lot more supportive towards the Linux community. NVIDIA they needed some arms twisting over the years to get on board and be more supportive. That being said, I’m sorry but AMD for over a decade lacked way behind in CPU and even more in GPU performance. AMD CPUs very famous for overheating and bugging out especially between 2000 - 2010. AMD GPU’s started to lose ground in around 2010 to NVIDIA. From 2005 - 2018 although I always checked what’s going on when upgrading I always went Intel/NVIDIA.However in 2018 when looking at the market AMD cpu’s really started to kick ass begining with the Thread rippers and gladly switched teams when building my new pc. As for the GPU’s AMD still lacking behind but not that much anymore I mean the RX 6900 XT really takes the fight to the RTX 3080. Sure there are some features still lacking for AMD but they are damn close. When I add up Cheaper price, better support for Linux, open source philosophy over a tiny performance loss HELLO AMD !!! This is where voting with your dollars makes sense. In the past as much as I preferred AMD philosophy over NVIDIA the benefit of NVIDIA outweighed the AMD argument. So there was a clear choice to get NVIDIA. This is not the case anymore. Now the argument swings to the other side in my opinion, AMD performance is close enough to make the jump. You want a challenge to NVIDIA? Bring down GPU price buy enabling competition? Give a middle finger to NVIDIA refusing open source drivers? Give your money to AMD making them stronger and catch up with performance and features. I will never be a fan of a brand in any aspect of life. If NVIDIA have a better philosophy, price or simply destroy AMD and Intel (upcoming GPU’s) in performance sure I’m happy to jump back to NVIDIA. As for now I interact with Manjaro (Main), Garuda, Fedora, Mint, Ubuntu, Windows 10 & 11 on a regular basis as well as test run occasionally different distros. Mixed with NVIDIA and AMD GPU’s. Both run pretty well on Linux distros but AMD is less of a hassle. Specifically if using Wayland. As of 2021 I promote AMD GPU’s to Linux users as for the future this may swing back to NVIDIA.

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Well said, absolutely agree!

Great point. The lack of company support (slowly getting better) but also some of the Linux ELITE mindset telling Linux noobs you are welcome then abusing/criticizing them when they report running into a problem instead of giving a helping hand is what turning off everyday users to switch to Linux. We need to grow up, stop the bickering and offer help instead. Should Linux be more user friendly? - YouTube

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It’s the same as enterprise still running Ubuntu 12 because it’s too much trouble to rebuild everything on up to date OS, changing the workflow, reconfiguring everything and all. It is easier to continue with what you started with. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, isn’t it?

Another source of comments from Michael Tunnell from destination Linux, I think he is more moderate trying to cover different point of view while compared to Distrotube who has a more biased view.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpQY5JRLBPM

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Challenging Part 2 already available. For who that still didn’t watched, check link below.

I think the takeaway here is that we should be looking at the feedback coming out of this and seeing what we can do to improve things. Anything that he points out as an issue that can be resolved by the distro, (like the hardware driver plugin for KSystemSettings) should be filed as a bug and resolved. The screen he showed is a UX/UI/Design disaster and needs to be reworked. The other item he pointed out was the pamac-manager and why it doesn’t show AUR, Flatpack or Snap repositories in the default view, not until you click on search. I’m new to manjaro but it seems that the manjaro team needs UI and UX design help with end user testing. (I’m not new to Linux though, I’ve been a linux user/developer since 1997 and have led enterprise software development initiatives so I’m not a total n00b, just a n00b to manjaro and Arch based distros.) Howdy y’all btw!

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I guess it is somewhat the same, because if you are running ubuntu 12 right now it is broken, not secure, should not be your server :wink:

I disagree, at least in the blanket sense.
apt has already been patched, citing the video, to disallow users from uninstalling packages.
This simply makes the tool worse, when it was already hindered under numerous layers like sudo etc, and was done because?? Because someone once forcefully typed all those things in, including ‘I know what I am doing’ … so now my package manager wont work like a package manager?
IMHO - no thanks.

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