Problems with my Manjaro


#37

This is a windows concept.
What I don’t get, you are no exception, people want basically a windows minus all the annoying stuff. Ok, but this clashes directly with linux philosophy.

As a side note, people need to learn how to use things, no matter if it is how to ride a bike, how to bind their shoes, or how to read and write.
For some strange reason, people don’t want to learn how to use a computer, they want to click a shiny button and something happens, like a coffee machine makes coffee.
Problem is, you might noit want to push a button always, without knowing what it does. Worst case, you blow yourself up.


#38

Nope it’s not a windows concept. To deny orientation as a concept is simply madness. To leave a driver in a repo differs from windows concept storing a driver somewhere in the wild. This could be abused by replacing the driver with malware.
And people surely want to learn how to use a computer but there is a way that guides me via Options (of course in the background will be prompt a command by klick one of these options - so it won’t change any Linux operations) and one that lets me getting lost within complexity.
The question is do you want your OS beeing used or prevent it from the masses :slight_smile:


#39

The true question is, do you people learn from windows disasters anything?

Installing drivers in linux is totally different from windows, and it is also pretty much distro specific.
You want a OS for the masses, it will inevitabble become a windows like monstrosity.
I prefer diversity over the stew soup cooked for the masses, for they do not know what they use.


#40

I don’t have anything against diversity. All I’m talking about ist the manjaro slogan itselfs:

Professional and user-friendly Linux at its best.

Manjaro is a Linux distribution based on the independently developed Arch operating system. Mostly developed in Europe, Manjaro provides all the benefits of the Arch operating system, combined with a focus on user friendliness and accessibility.

You can spread diversity as far as you want but there hast to be interaktion between OS and User.


#41

I can not see any single reason why. Its the opposite. The more people enjoy Linux the more feedback knowledge and suggestions you will earn. Where is the concern that leads a comunity based distro to Windows monstrosity? It seems you simply are proud of your little fine elite.


#42

In all honesty if you go by the ratings on distrowatch I don’t think Manjaro really needs to work at attracting more people. The forums are full of feedback, mostly from noobs fresh off the Windows boat constantly telling everyone in the Manjaro community to reshape Manjaro into Windows, or Ubuntu or Mint.

Why don’t you give it a rest already. Maybe the bulk of people using Manjaro are happy with the way it currently is.

I think you need to read this:


#43

I assume you meant to say thread MetaNorm? I don’t believe I made any threats :grinning:


#44

:joy:


#45

Linux is not linux, you got tons of distros, who do certain stuff differently, enough differently so you cannot have a general solution, except you enforce it from top to bottom down like certain components have done.

The problem in a nutshell, the “one size fits all” model, in my view the socialist model, does not work. You try to cater and make everyone happy, with the result that no one is really happy, and the solution you come up with is compromises and bad design.


#46

Do you really want the ignorant masses running Linux? Can’t we reserve Windows & that MacCrap for them? :wink:


#47

you don’t see any irony that your lack of learning is ok to keep a rolling distribution for 4 years
maybe due to some Manjaro simplicity?

but is reassuring that this older dog can still learn a few new tricks in just a few years despite some mental health problems


#48

Please read the whole thread first. You simply did not get what I mean. What I said is not to blame Manjaro it was meant to plead for a way that offers more orientation to get more people using distros.
I myself run my manjaro relative smoothly because i’ve spended a lot of hours studying forums and articles. Isn’t that called learning?


#49

:joy::joy::joy:
I see it with a crying and a laughing eye.


#50

I don’t. I see it as a magnificent gift from our Supreme Overlord, Linus. As long as I have been running Linux, people have been saying, “Gee wouldn’t it be great is everyone ran Linux?” And the fact is, they can. Anyone that wants to badly enough–and that bar has been drastically lowered–can easily do so.

But do they? No. And I’m glad to not have those type folks cluttering up my just-dandy Linux World. They have their own little worlds to inhabit, so let them. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

regards


#51

Badly enough is the point. But yes, you’re right. Although their little worlds are pretty big and overwhelming together :wink:


#52

Yes Most Linux distros have gotten easy enough for a user new to UN*X type OSes to install, setup, and start using them as long they are willing to RTFM and use Forums. They are also for the most part required to be able to do self support as well.

Rolling release Distros do require users to be more hands on then most Fixed Released ones.


#53

I just encountered this thread for the first time.

As I read it through from the beginning, I kept wondering if the latest posts would acknowledge the recent “needs downgrade” update hullabaloo and finally realise why @sueridgepipe and some others here kept warning about reading the update announcements first…


#54

Well, that’s a good point I think wongs. Although, in fairness, the downgrades really might have been better flagged from those whom are main drivers of Manjaro don’t you think? I have run Manjaro successfully for a long time now and have used Pacui mainly to effect my upgrades without any real issues. The most recent upgrades however, brought my system to its knees and I had to revert to my Timeshift backup to get back to where I started. Not only that, (and I have described this in kindred threads) I had to do some tweaking /re-tweaking to get fully back to where I was. Yes, I saw the philm message about downgrade essentiallity but only AFTER my travails. Perhaps (from the standpoint of user’s fuller understanding) I am still not certain that the downgrade requirement was indeed the thing that would have led me to a system brought to its knees (although I think it was in fact).


#55

I guess I don’t have much to say about the matter other than to observe Manjaro users having batch-update problems such as the most recent as long as I’ve been a member or lurker in these forums. And that has been a while (original forums registration date 15 November 2013)

I will state that from an observational and user standpoint, it was a whole lot worse in 2013 than it is now.

Part of it appears to the procedure–this whole batch-updating procedure–which is unknown in Arch Linux. Part of it seems to be the requirement to read and explicitly follow @philm’s update announcements. And the last would appear to be user-ability, meaning maybe Manjaro is not so “beginner” or “new user” friendly as some think, or perhaps those users have not yet developed an updating practice that considers the nature of the distribution (i.e. using a GUI-d package manager helper to perform upgrades/updates, not reading the News, not reading forum announcements.) You can’t fix what never exists. Those same users would also have problems with Windows or any other OS, would be my guess.

What the “cure” is, I do not know. Or even if there is one. But it appears to me much of Arch’s stability–which includes updates–is lost-in-translation between where it starts in Manjaro Unstable and ends in Manjaro Stable, the final product.

regards


#56

True. But because Manjaro was not so “popular” in those days, the connection to Arch was much closer. So more users trying Manjaro knew they had to put in the effort of checking announcements before updating. Fewer people came in thinking it was like Mint or Ubuntu.

Installation was mainly by the ncurses installer. Pamac didn’t exist. Even Octopi was so new most people wouldn’t think of using it for full upgrades; only for installation/removal of specific packages.