Hi,
I have computer a little bit old (No UEFI), installed Manjaro everything was perfect until i tried to upgrade OS, it’s not booting to desktop any more.
I see Manjaro with 3 loading dots, i can see audio and video modules are loaded but after that nothings happening system just not booting.
i tried to log in using TTY but as soon as i hit Alt+Ctrl+Fx the tree loading dots stops moving and completely freezes.
I am sure i don’t have NVIDIA problem mentioned in lots of topics because my VGA is AMD
Any idea how to fix this?
Can you reach your Login Screen easily?
If so, you can try to launch a TTY shell from there. This is also the better way to perform an upgrade; without being logged into the GUI.
If you can login successfully this way, please provide the output from:
sudo inxi --admin --verbosity=7 --filter --no-host --width
You can also save this output to a file, like this:
sudo inxi --admin --verbosity=7 --filter --no-host --width > inxi_output.txt
This will help others to help you further. Cheers.
no i can’t log in, as i mentioned if try to change TTY it completely freezes.
I don’t know what to do but i’m sure solution starts with boot into live image, maybe chroot needed.
Please, re-read my post. Have you tried raising a TTY from the Login Screen ( ctrl+alt+fx ) – not have you tried logging in (to GUI).
Failing that, if using Grub, it’s possible to edit the boot string to allow booting to console. I don’t recall the specifics (it’s too long since I used non-UEFI, let alone legacy Grub), but a little research on this should reveal something.
In any case, without more information from you, it’s increasingly difficult for anyone to do much more than make guesses. The general information you have so far provided is inadequate.
It is possible that your machine is simply too old for use with Manjaro; or that another DE will be more compatible; or that you might even have better luck with another distribution. Good luck. 
Booting from Live ISO would allow use of inxi -Fazy to get system information
Information would be better if manjaro-chroot is able to access installed OS
If this is a new install it may be simpler to reinstall OS
Since this is an older system I would suggest you try minimal ISO with v6.1 LTS kernel to reinstall
and update: manjaro-xfce-23.0.2-minimal-230919-linux61.iso from Manjaro-23.0 uranos released
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I don’t have any more info, if i had i wrote.
i tried to use grub to boot into TTY but none worked, i found 2 commands select the Manjaro and press e to go to edit mode and at the end of line starts with linux after quite splash just write 3 or second command after quite splash just write init 3.
none worked for me and everything was the same result
I downloaded the same ISO and installed twice have no files in the computer, just replaced Manjaro as fresh install
If you had posted the output of the command given earlier, that would have been a start. The results of that command can potentially save a lot of wasted time asking about your system.
It was also suggested to boot from your Live ISO to run the commands, as a workaround:
If OS has been reinstalled make a backup or timeshift snapshot and then update using CLI
pamac update
or
sudo pacman -Syu
paying close attention to any messages during update process
Sorry for taking you’r time, i didn’t know what command does and tried to boot into os as your cammand, and run the command from there.
i used live iso and this is the ouotput:
System:
Kernel: 6.5.0-1-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.1
clocksource: tsc available: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-x86_64 lang=en_US keytable=us tz=UTC
misobasedir=manjaro misolabel=MANJARO_XFCEM_230 quiet
systemd.show_status=1 splash apparmor=1 security=apparmor driver=free
nouveau.modeset=1 i915.modeset=1 radeon.modeset=1
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm
v: 4.18.0 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: Manjaro Linux base: Arch Linux
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: Gigabyte model: M68MT-S2P serial: N/A BIOS: Award v: F1
date: 12/24/2010
Battery:
Message: No system battery data found. Is one present?
Memory:
System RAM: total: 8 GiB available: 7.75 GiB used: 1.58 GiB (20.3%)
Array-1: capacity: 8 GiB slots: 2 modules: 2 EC: None
max-module-size: 4 GiB note: est.
Device-1: A0 info: double-bank type: N/A size: 4 GiB speed: 1066 MT/s
volts: N/A width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: N/A part-no: N/A
serial: N/A
Device-2: A1 info: double-bank type: N/A size: 4 GiB speed: 1066 MT/s
volts: N/A width (bits): data: 64 total: 64 manufacturer: N/A part-no: N/A
serial: N/A
CPU:
Info: model: AMD Athlon II X2 240 socket: M2 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: K10
level: v1 built: 2009-13 process: AMD 45nm family: 0x10 (16) model-id: 6
stepping: 2 microcode: 0x10000C7
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 256 KiB
desc: d-2x64 KiB; i-2x64 KiB L2: 2 MiB desc: 2x1024 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 800/2800 boost: disabled
base/boost: 2800/3200 scaling: driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: schedutil
volts: 1.0 V ext-clock: 200 MHz cores: 1: 800 2: 800 bogomips: 11256
Flags: 3dnow 3dnowext 3dnowprefetch abm apic clflush cmov cmp_legacy
constant_tsc cpuid cr8_legacy cx16 cx8 de extapic extd_apicid fpu fxsr
fxsr_opt ht hw_pstate ibs lahf_lm lbrv lm mca mce misalignsse mmx mmxext
monitor msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl npt nrip_save nx osvw pae pat pdpe1gb
pge pni popcnt pse pse36 rdtscp rep_good sep skinit sse sse2 sse4a svm
svm_lock syscall tsc vme vmmcall wdt
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
Type: l1tf status: Not affected
Type: mds status: Not affected
Type: meltdown status: Not affected
Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
Type: retbleed status: Not affected
Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling,
PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
Type: srbds status: Not affected
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R5 430 OEM R7 240/340 Radeon 520 OEM]
vendor: Dell driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: GCN-1
code: Southern Islands process: TSMC 28nm built: 2011-20 pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 8 link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s ports:
active: DVI-I-1 empty: DP-1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6611
class-ID: 0300 temp: 45.0 C
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X:
loaded: radeon unloaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: radeonsi
gpu: radeon display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 444x277mm (17.48x10.91")
s-diag: 523mm (20.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 mapped: DVI-0 model: GDM-245JN serial: <filter>
built: 2021 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 91 gamma: 1.2
size: 470x280mm (18.5x11.02") diag: 604mm (23.8") ratio: 16:9 modes:
max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
API: OpenGL Message: Unable to show GL data. Required tool glxinfo missing.
Audio:
Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:05.0 chip-ID: 10de:03f0
class-ID: 0403
Device-2: AMD Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000
Series] vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 8 link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s bus-ID: 02:00.1
chip-ID: 1002:aab0 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.5.0-1-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: N/A
Server-2: PulseAudio v: 16.1 status: active (root, process)
with: pulseaudio-alsa type: plugin tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet vendor: Gigabyte type: network bridge
driver: forcedeth v: kernel port: f000 bus-ID: 00:07.0 chip-ID: 10de:03ef
class-ID: 0680
IF: enp0s7 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
IP v4: <filter> type: dynamic noprefixroute scope: global
broadcast: <filter>
IP v6: <filter> type: noprefixroute scope: link
WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 2.07 TiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: A-Data model: SU650 family: based SSDs
size: 223.57 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B sata: 3.2
speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: SSD serial: <filter> fw-rev: 028a scheme: MBR
SMART: yes state: disabled
ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Western Digital
model: WD20EZRZ-00Z5HB0 family: Blue size: 1.82 TiB block-size:
physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B sata: 3.0 speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: HDD
rpm: 5400 serial: <filter> fw-rev: 0A80 scheme: GPT
SMART: yes state: disabled
ID-3: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: SanDisk model: Ultra size: 28.64 GiB
block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: USB rev: 2.1 spd: 480 Mb/s
lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: N/A serial: <filter> fw-rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Message: No optical or floppy data found.
Partition:
Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
Alert: No swap data was found.
Unmounted:
ID-1: /dev/dm-0 maj-min: 254:0 mapped: ventoy size: 2.64 GiB fs: iso9660
ID-2: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 size: 50 MiB fs: ntfs label: System Reserved
uuid: 748C8A928C8A4F14
ID-3: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 size: 97.11 GiB fs: ntfs label: N/A
uuid: B4928E0A928DD172
ID-4: /dev/sda3 maj-min: 8:3 size: 508 MiB fs: ntfs label: N/A
uuid: 8E9A75D99A75BE71
ID-5: /dev/sda4 maj-min: 8:4 size: 125.91 GiB fs: ext4 label: N/A
uuid: a6846e96-6db5-4584-a3c4-32d8da7dfb64
ID-6: /dev/sdb1 maj-min: 8:17 size: 441.34 GiB fs: ntfs label: D
uuid: 86365F66365F5671
ID-7: /dev/sdb2 maj-min: 8:18 size: 441.34 GiB fs: ntfs label: E
uuid: 26B606C0B606910B
ID-8: /dev/sdb3 maj-min: 8:19 size: 441.34 GiB fs: ntfs label: F
uuid: 641A0BD21A0BA062
ID-9: /dev/sdb4 maj-min: 8:20 size: 441.34 GiB fs: ntfs label: G
uuid: 18F83788F8376364
ID-10: /dev/sdc1 maj-min: 8:33 size: 28.61 GiB fs: exfat label: Ventoy
uuid: 4E21-0000
ID-11: /dev/sdc2 maj-min: 8:34 size: 32 MiB fs: vfat label: VTOYEFI
uuid: 9576-3784
USB:
Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: full speed or root hub ports: 10 rev: 2.0
speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 1-2:2 info: SanDisk Ultra type: mass storage driver: usb-storage
interfaces: 1 rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s (57.2 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 2.0
power: 224mA chip-ID: 0781:558a class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter>
Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: full speed or root hub ports: 10 rev: 1.1
speed: 12 Mb/s (1.4 MiB/s) lanes: 1 mode: 1.1 chip-ID: 1d6b:0001
class-ID: 0900
Device-1: 2-3:2 info: Microdia USB Keyboard type: keyboard
driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s (183 KiB/s)
lanes: 1 mode: 1.0 power: 300mA chip-ID: 0c45:7603 class-ID: 0301
Device-2: 2-4:3 info: USB OPTICAL MOUSE type: mouse
driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s (183 KiB/s)
lanes: 1 mode: 1.0 power: 100mA chip-ID: 0000:3825 class-ID: 0301
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 35.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 45.0 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Info:
Processes: 160 Uptime: 4m wakeups: 0 Init: systemd v: 253 default: graphical
tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 13.2.1 clang: 15.0.7 Packages: pm: pacman
pkgs: 1057 libs: 310 tools: pamac Shell: Sudo (sudo) v: 1.9.14p3
default: Bash v: 5.1.16 running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.29
please take my applogoy, somehow i am noob.
I used sudo pacman -Syu for first time and sudo pacman -Syyu for second time, same problem appeared after rebooting.
Thanks. Straight away I see that you mainboard is very old; I had a Z68 in 2010/2011 (It’s certainly not UEFI-capable).
Now if you could also post the output of:
inxi -Fazy
… as requested by @nikgnomic , that should be enough information for someone to take an educated guess or two. Cheers.
Here is the output of inxi -Fazy
System:
Kernel: 6.5.0-1-MANJARO arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.2.1
clocksource: tsc available: hpet,acpi_pm
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-x86_64 lang=en_US keytable=us tz=UTC
misobasedir=manjaro misolabel=MANJARO_XFCEM_230 quiet
systemd.show_status=1 splash apparmor=1 security=apparmor driver=free
nouveau.modeset=1 i915.modeset=1 radeon.modeset=1
Desktop: Xfce v: 4.18.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.24.36 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm
v: 4.18.0 vt: 7 dm: LightDM v: 1.32.0 Distro: Manjaro Linux base: Arch Linux
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: Gigabyte model: M68MT-S2P serial: <superuser required>
BIOS: Award v: F1 date: 12/24/2010
CPU:
Info: model: AMD Athlon II X2 240 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: K10 level: v1
built: 2009-13 process: AMD 45nm family: 0x10 (16) model-id: 6 stepping: 2
microcode: 0x10000C7
Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 256 KiB
desc: d-2x64 KiB; i-2x64 KiB L2: 2 MiB desc: 2x1024 KiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 800 min/max: 800/2800 boost: disabled scaling:
driver: acpi-cpufreq governor: schedutil cores: 1: 800 2: 800 bogomips: 11256
Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm
Vulnerabilities:
Type: gather_data_sampling status: Not affected
Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
Type: l1tf status: Not affected
Type: mds status: Not affected
Type: meltdown status: Not affected
Type: mmio_stale_data status: Not affected
Type: retbleed status: Not affected
Type: spec_rstack_overflow status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
sanitization
Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Retpolines, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling,
PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
Type: srbds status: Not affected
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics:
Device-1: AMD Oland [Radeon HD 8570 / R5 430 OEM R7 240/340 Radeon 520 OEM]
vendor: Dell driver: radeon v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: GCN-1
code: Southern Islands process: TSMC 28nm built: 2011-20 pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 8 link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s ports:
active: DVI-I-1 empty: DP-1 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6611
class-ID: 0300 temp: 45.0 C
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.8 compositor: xfwm v: 4.18.0 driver: X:
loaded: radeon unloaded: modesetting alternate: fbdev,vesa dri: radeonsi
gpu: radeon display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1680x1050 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 444x277mm (17.48x10.91")
s-diag: 523mm (20.6")
Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 mapped: DVI-0 model: GDM-245JN serial: <filter>
built: 2021 res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 91 gamma: 1.2
size: 470x280mm (18.5x11.02") diag: 604mm (23.8") ratio: 16:9 modes:
max: 1920x1080 min: 720x400
API: OpenGL Message: Unable to show GL data. Required tool glxinfo missing.
Audio:
Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte
driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:05.0 chip-ID: 10de:03f0
class-ID: 0403
Device-2: AMD Oland/Hainan/Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7000
Series] vendor: Dell driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 1
speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 8 link-max: gen: 3 speed: 8 GT/s bus-ID: 02:00.1
chip-ID: 1002:aab0 class-ID: 0403
API: ALSA v: k6.5.0-1-MANJARO status: kernel-api with: aoss
type: oss-emulator tools: alsactl,alsamixer,amixer
Server-1: JACK v: 1.9.22 status: off tools: N/A
Server-2: PulseAudio v: 16.1 status: active with: pulseaudio-alsa
type: plugin tools: pacat,pactl,pavucontrol
Network:
Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet vendor: Gigabyte type: network bridge
driver: forcedeth v: kernel port: f000 bus-ID: 00:07.0 chip-ID: 10de:03ef
class-ID: 0680
IF: enp0s7 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 2.07 TiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: A-Data model: SU650 size: 223.57 GiB
block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: SSD
serial: <filter> fw-rev: 028a scheme: MBR
ID-2: /dev/sdb maj-min: 8:16 vendor: Western Digital
model: WD20EZRZ-00Z5HB0 size: 1.82 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B
logical: 512 B speed: 3.0 Gb/s tech: HDD rpm: 5400 serial: <filter>
fw-rev: 0A80 scheme: GPT
ID-3: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 vendor: SanDisk model: Ultra size: 28.64 GiB
block-size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B type: USB rev: 2.1 spd: 480 Mb/s
lanes: 1 mode: 2.0 tech: N/A serial: <filter> fw-rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR
SMART Message: Unknown USB bridge. Flash drive/Unsupported enclosure?
Partition:
Message: No partition data found.
Swap:
Alert: No swap data was found.
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 36.5 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 44.0 C
Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Info:
Processes: 159 Uptime: 3m wakeups: 0 Memory: total: 8 GiB available: 7.75 GiB
used: 1.75 GiB (22.6%) Init: systemd v: 253 default: graphical
tool: systemctl Compilers: gcc: 13.2.1 clang: 15.0.7 Packages: pm: pacman
pkgs: 1057 libs: 310 tools: pamac Shell: Bash v: 5.1.16
running-in: xfce4-terminal inxi: 3.3.29
Any Idea?
None. Except that using the v6.1 (LTS) kernel would probably better suited to such old hardware than the bleeding edge v6.5 kernel.
The Idea of using kernel 6.1LTS was awesome working perfectly fine.
i reinstalled Manjaro, enabled Kernel 6.1 (LTS) and everything is working perfectly fine.
Thanks to @soundofthunder and @nikgnomic
Glad it worked out.
Going forward, I’d suggest opting for the LTS kernel every time. Be mindful that there will come a time when even that strategy will fail. Cheers.
I think in that time i have to switch my distro, right?
Switching to a newer computer would be the better option; where possible. That said, there are distributions available offering wider hardware support which might be an option. Don’t expect all the bells and whistles though. 
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inxi data for hardware all looks OK
Updating to “latest” BIOS version F3 might help
GA-M68MT-S2P (rev. 1.0) Support | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
But not necessary if system is working with kernel v6.1
LTS kernel v6.1 has projected End Of Life Dec 2026 - Active kernel releases so you should be OK for at least the next 3 years
Latest kernel has been buggy for some users and might work on your system when any bugs or regressions have been patched. If system boots OK on Live ISO it might not need much to get it working on later kernels