Manjaro 20.1 Mikah got released

Awesome, nice update Manjaro team :slight_smile:

Any specific reason why only gnome edition has zsh by default? Or other editions are going to switch to zsh too later on?

I guess this means a Qu’Onos release is in our future.

I am completely disappointed of Manjaro 20.1 KDE Release.

1.Manjaro 20.1 is incompatible with BIOS (doesn’t boot) only UEFI.
2. Welcome screen doesn’t have info about passwords for root nor user. Password is secret. We don’t have root privalages on Manjaro.
3. Can’t install anything in live nor configure without password when kdesu pops up.
4. Can’t find welcome sceen via menu nor krunner when I close welcome screen- ther’s no such thing as “welcome…” nor “intro…” typing shows absolutely nothing
5. Thunderbird is GTK and not suitable for KDE Plasma (KDE Plasma has integration of KMail and Kontakt and Kalendare and many more integrated apps- its all under “kde-meta-pim” which is missing
in the default installatation. Don’t give KDE user Thunderbird. It doesn;t belong to KDE.
6. KDE Plasma has Elise music player, which is part of default plasma software compilation. Instead we are given deprecated “Cantana” based on QtMPC which hasn’t seen any realease in 10 years (!)- the last one was in 2010 (see menu about… and click link for QtMPC)
7. Qbittorent is external, foreign app. and unnecesserily installed like bloatware. KDE has a long standing KTorrent, actively developed and part of the default kde software compilation. It should be there instead of Qbittorent.
8. Default installation is missing firewall. There’s nothing to chose from as default zone in KDE system tray in “antenna” -->settings —> general–> firewall zone. No service of nftables and firewalld is activated and running. Security is missing
9. Konsole has extremely small fonts (should be “medium” and size 12 at least)
10. Font throughout the system are too small (should be 11 and small 10). Nobody bothered to change then in default installation
11. Repo contains deprecated font format “ttf” the correct one is “OpenType”. Open Type fonts of IBM Pelex are missing.
12. Many user experience problems with VLC (developers use MS Windows), hence many KDE “pros”
use mpv+smplayer (+smtube) which is much more mature and stable on anly Linux Distro (I noticed that Russian hackers and developers that use kde use it, which is in line in mine experience and many good youtubers promoting libre software and Linux.)
13. Libre Office is Missing in the default installation. Version Still should be there.
14. Welcome screen didn’t contain info how to switch and makde LTS kernel the default one.
15. There are no responsiveness and speed optimizations. Udev rules for I/O scheduler are missing (BFQ for spinning drives, noope or none for NVMe or mq-deadline for SSD)
16. No fstrim scheduler is present
17. KDE Plasma default installation is missing QtWebengine based web browser, which is the default browser in KDE software compilation. Its called Falkon.
18. Eveyone is using uBlock Origing. No reason not to include it by default.
19. Icons Only Task Manageris dumb as hell. KDE is not Windows. If I wanted that idiocracy I would use Windows. Its yet another disappointing and unnecessary step to make KDE usefull, ie one more step of many to change Manjaro to be usable.
20. KDE Plasma is compiled with (unlike some other distros -e.g. Gentoo) with “kuser feedback”, which one cannot turn off. All data is still collected (e.g. in: /home/manjaro/.config/kde.org/) regardless of settings. Enough of it has been already said everywhere.
21. KDE panel is misconfigured. Its small and it has “desktop/workspaces/pager” with two “workspaces/desktops” stuck on top of each other on the very narrow panel, which is misconfiguration and should be two, but next to each other because all LCDs are widescreen. No point of cramming to somethething extremely small to to the point of unclickable.
22. Deskotp (right click deskop–>configure) is set to “folder”. There’s no need for “deprecated” desktop folder and have mess on the wallpaper while we have krunner (plasma user know what it is and how to use it. XFCE users don’t) and Home folder. It should be set up as desktop.
23.Clock is misconfigured for USA. USA is not the only country in the world. Everyone els like 99% of the Earth population use 24h clock. PM AM is idiocracy form medieval analog ages when they didn’t have possibility to use 24h clock.
24. Clock in tray is unnecesarrily polluted with short date resaulting (like pager) with crammed stuff, ie clock is even smaller (cramming and polluting - we can just hover or click to see calendar and events, of course you missed to installe kde-pim-meta…)
25. Steam, Not all Linux users are kids. Leave it in the repo. Kids use Windows anyway, so keep Manjaro professional and let the user install games.
26. Not everyone has a printer and even when they do it doesn’t have to be HP (extremely expensive toners). So what is that HP Printer thing doing in Manjaro? How many users have HP Printer? 99% or more don’t. Bloatware.
27. SSH and Avahi. No need for that. If the user wants it they will install it. No need for security holes, ssh-ing someone (ssh client, ssh server,…). Another unnecessary bloatware with potential security risks.
28. Software Token x2- another bloatware. Why do I need it? If I wanted bloatware I would use Windows.
29. AppImage software- why do I need it? Another bloatware and insecure with it. Enough has been said aboiut AppImage security everywhere. Linux is not windows and it uses more secure model of shared libraries (AppImage etc. are like exe and bat for Windows- downloaded from all over the internet- not good). And since Manjaro is Arch based. We got 99% software almost instantaneously (minus Manjaro stale time…). No need for this unsecure app. Anyway one can run AppImage without any additional software and in firejail if they want.
30. There’s “lost and found” menu in Kick-off with some further hp crap. What the hell is lost and found? Did you brake something??
31. Avif plasma-picture-plugin (systemwide) for displaying this type of modern photo compression is missing. There’s no thumb in Dolphin and Gwenview is not displaying them.
32. VAAPi is missing either VLC or mpv ($mpv --hwdec=vaapi --vo=gpu) uses over 30% CPU on Skylyke,
while older computer with Broadwell on Debian 10 Buster, uses 6% cpu (mpv --hwdec=vaapi --vo=gpu/vaapi). 99% laptops are Intel, yet manjaro has broken VAAPi. Hardware decoding=0.
33. Firefox is compiled with less secure clang instead of perfectly good GCC, there’s absolutely no need for clang. Latest GCC is extremely excellent and software runs faster with latest GCC.
34. Font rendering is midiocre. Its missing patched cairo and proper rendering like Infinality with color filtering.

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I find most of the points here as overstatements.
For example thunderbird works fine under KDE with only a few dependencies, and looks more consistent than the (in my opinion) over-complicated KMail.

Maybe some of the programs you mention, are bloatware, but there is an alternative. It is called minimal iso and it is what I prefer! Then I install the packages I want (libre office, firefox, thunderbird, gimp, blender, ardour e.t.c). And I have to remove only a few of the default (e.g konversation, yakuake …)
Manjaro 20.1 is an excellent and very carefully crafted release.

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You’re XFCE user and you think in Mail Program category. KDE Plasma users think in Personal Information Management category (kde-pim-meta). PIM is integrated throughout whole Plasma.
Manjaro is castrated. Nobody on KDE Plasma satrts KMail to send mail. You are thinking XFCE way, that when you want to send mail you click menu and click Thunderbird. We use Kontact or send information (mail, messages, pms, sms on KDE with connected Android) via various means of managing PIM and calendar events, system integrations with messages, calendar, events, receiving messages and so on throughout the system based on entire personal information management. We do not micromange and browse menus to click on dedicated software to send email. We KDE Plasma users use different paradigm. We have KDE PIM, Akonodi Server and MySQL integrated though the system. Thunderbird is not part of this paradigm and its silly to even propose Thunderbird on KDE and think of just email client. Thunderbird is a foreign software on KDE.

The release text for gnome is mostly from the past release in the spring. This because both me and @Ste74 have had long standing hardware issues, and the gnome edition developement has mostly been limited to bug fixes. This should change within a month or so. So yeah, zsh has been the default since February or so.

Different maintainers. Besides, isn’t gnome always the harbinger of new features? I’m hoping to convince other editions to adopt zsh too, but they might be waiting for people to get used to the idea first.

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You seem to have many interesting ideas to tweak the kde edition. How about opening a dedicated topic in Feature request category? You can also send a merge request to the desktop-settings and iso-profiles repos in manjaro gitlab :slightly_smiling_face:

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No, actually Im a Linux (exclusively) user, who just prefer and love KDE as my desktop environment, but I could happily live with XFCE, or MATE or whatever … (Unfamiliar with GNOME though!)

I never claimed to be a KDE expert in anyway…
But I see your point, the way every KDE application integrates with the DE.

However I don’t think that particular pattern suits my needs. And if someday the Manjaro team decides to go that way, I’ll have to uninstall a lot of stuff to make KDE look and feel my way …

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I think it would be better to stay with the more widely used option. Most scripts on net are bash, and they are not always completely compatible with zsh. It is not a major problem to advance users who would know the difference and switch zsh to bash or modify scripts, but manjaro is increasingly being adopted by beginners and it would be very confusing for them. Those who know about zsh almost always know how to switch to it

Script files should and will use a shebang and not be executed with your standard shell.
If you’re using some scripting in everday life on the command line however - there will be some gotchas.

I think this is not a sustainable line of thinking. By this token, everyone should be using Windows. I feel this cannot be the only deciding criteria. Besides, MacOs uses zsh by and Arch uses zsh by default. It’s not as uncommon as elvish or fish.

Bash scripts start with shebang that says so. The script is executed with bash regardless of what the default shell is. I think you might be meaning oneliners here?

Which why we should be using zsh. It is more beginner friendly option by a huge margin. The fact that 2% of blindly copied oneliners from the internet fail to execute doesn’t seem like a huge price for syntax highlighting, autocorrection, assistive tab completion, autosuggestion and many other features. Manjaro-zsh-configis specificallywwritten for beginners. The common bash configuration is not.

But, I see that I’m getting off topic here. If you wish to pursue this topic further, we can do so on a dedicated thread. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Yeah it would be a good idea to start a thread for this purpose. I don’t mind either bash or zsh (or even fish). Maybe i am disproportionately frightened of the posts on this forum and reddit that new users would post since they can’t run a particular script from net and blame manjaro for it. I haven’t looked at how manjaro has configured zsh, but I will as soon as I get time

Thanks for your answer — and your work!

I’m not a fan of KDE neither, but that’s one of the beauties of linux - you have options. Alot.

If you’re coming from a different distro, you probably know enough linux already.

If you’re coming from doze (like approximately 99% of non-linux users) and you are used to it/conditioned by it’s ways, KDE is a wonderful alternative to get used to linux and not being put off by just feeling lost. You can move on later and discover the vastness that is linux.

Instead of just playing the nay-sayer card (you’ve probably got some valid and constructive ideas) - is there anything you like about Manjaro/Manjaro KDE that you might wanna share?

EDIT: Look for ‘hello’ instead of ‘welcome’.
EDIT #2: Since this is an announcement thread:

Big Thank You to the Manjaro Team and the helping hand of the community!

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Thanks for the hardwork guys :robot:

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Some here are overstatements. Manjaro KDE is not there to showcase kde software and its capabilities. It is there to provide maximum number of users easy to use and ready to work software on a plasma desktop. Your suggestions such as replacing firefox with falkon are completely illogical. As good as falkon is, it can’t compete with chrome or firefox as the sole browser in any system.

Also, some are just personal preferences. You prefer mpv but I prefer vlc. More people using manjaro for first time would find it easy to use vlc rather than mpv, while seasoned users can install what they want without wasting much time.

Some suggestions though are really good, particularly number 32, 31, 15, 6,27,34
Some I don’t agree with or find too much of a personal preference are 5,7,8,9,10,12,13,14,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25

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  1. KDE Plasma default installation is missing QtWebengine based web browser, which is the default browser in KDE software compilation. Its called Falkon.
  2. Eveyone is using uBlock Origing. No reason not to include it by default.

Leo do you see when you made mistake?

I believe that default browser to be bundled should be firefox. Any additional browser is not required to be included.

That said, addons are a personal choice. Though I use ublock origin myself, I don’t think any addon should be included by default by a distro. Firefox itself provides tracking protection. It should be left on users to decide if they want anything beyond it. Maybe plasma-integration addon in kde should be an exception, if any

Boots perfectly fine on my two over 10 years old Desktop PC that only have Legacy BIOS. Both free and nonfree driver options for my Nvidia GPUs now load the live session perfectly fine. Previously i had to use nonfree option, always.

If you are talking about Live Session, then manjaro is what you are looking for. Was always the case in live session for user and password.

I just opened Pamac, refreshed database and installed Krita that is not included in live media. It works.

By the way, is Elisa
The release cicle of it didn’t make anyone 100% sure of it’s stability. Personally i’m not convinced. Did you know you are the second to mention it in the forum even tho you typed Elise ? :slight_smile: But nothing else, no talk about it, no review by forum members, just twice mentioned by name. Why would be the default?

There is a distinction between no firewall and missing security. Can you prove any security issues with Manjaro ?

I wear glasses and those fonts do not bother me at all. You can always use Ctrl+MouseScroll to change the size of the displayed text inside Konsole.

I can give you that, TTF is old indeed, but far from deprecated or obsolete. Will be still used for web design, mobile design and on desktop or mobile displays. What is correct about OpenType? If you work for print quality artwork, then yes OTF is superior.

I had no issues with it, and i don’t mind if SMPlayer will be made default. I like and use both of them.

We have systemd service

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I prefer to install it from their site.

Go and tell that to KDE developers. They decided to be the default and we agree. People can have more space in the Panel, use global-menu for example …

I double dare you to remove Avahi …
There was an extensive discussion and explanations given about it in the archived forum, there are plenty of sources and documentation about it. Disabling the service is all that can be done.

Let us know how do you install uBlock Origin in Falkon. Or what would be the logic behind making them both defaults?

I find no patience nor interest to address any more time into this. Is exactly the oposite of what feedback is supposed to be to a release announcement, and is also way off of any constructive criticism.

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