just quoting…since I do agree
ouch - moving to XFCE this afternoon, much as I regret doing it…
Another reason I’m glad I killed off Balloo…
Just found out that VLC crashes/freezes thr system…that is weird…
That is strange, yes.
Makes me wonder WHAT part of VLC causes this? Disk usage? I/O? Network? Wat is it?!
I started VLC on the console, the name libplacebo kept popping up. If you want, I’ll gladly reinstall it and crash a few times. But, I may need to know where VLC screams the logs, if any.
Now is a good time, I have a pretty solid backup, I know how to install INSIDE the existing partition. Hey…lemme go hurt something, I feel pretty sado at the moment…in a sexy way
Well, don’t hurt it too much. Pain is only sexy to a certain extend.
Do you have another media player? I read on here, I think it was @Aragorn that uses Dragon Player. AFAIK It’s a KDE thing, so it might work better for you.
Have yet to try dragon player. At the moment, Snappy is the dj. I tried KMplayer, firt time there was “son et lumière”, next time, I had a dark screen. Snappy plays sound and vid…we’ll see…
Any idea where I can find a manual to find where logs are kept? Anyt use for logs if this crashes (again)?
logs van be viewed with the journalctl
command. The same as the other DEs I believe.
Ah, good, this I need to try…thanks a zillion
This really sounds like an error. It should be reported. On many systems, including mine, it works fine. Did you try to delete faulty database?
Then you have a faster computer then me, and yet I’m using Plasma for the last 6 years and baloo works fine. My current OS install is over 4,5 years old and despite long history and various issues over time that I managed to fix, it’s working fine. Baloo is non issue for me. I just don’t even notice it.
I know that saying “it works for me” is not helpful, because it clearly doesn’t work for you. I’m just saying, that this kind of bugged behavior is not a norm. There are literally thousands and more users who also have no issues with baloo. But also, there are also those, who do have, like you. The only way to improve it is to create bug reports, even if those are duplicates.
Log in to:
https://bugs.kde.org/
Then go here:
https://bugs.kde.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=frameworks-baloo
In the meantime, disabling baloo is a good workaround.
I do see baloo complains on this forum, but not as many as if this was a common issue. Still, after so many bug fixes, it should be more stable than it is. Even those few complaints every couple of weeks (or even months) are showing that baloo is not in its prime condition yet. It looks like the process met some conditions that were not foreseen by developers.
We are on the bleeding edge so we should bring back as much as we can by reporting issues. I know it’s not fun. I also delay submissions if I can, but in general, if something bugs me a lot, I file reports and it… helps . The issue is either quickly fixed or at least I know what is happening to it, or I find out possible workarounds.
Yes, I cleared database and let it start over. But after next crash, problem has returned.
Wow I’m impressed that you reached such stability. I am totally new on KDE, been using MATE for years. Problems with KDE indexer has raised my eyebrows immediately. It’s been very unstable for me, maybe due to amount of files to index in /home (900k, nearly a million). I also use compressed Btrfs RAID1, if that has to do with anything.
Thank you. I’ve reported this here on forums when it first happened, but noticed that Manjaro has no bug tracker, so problems like this go nowhere unless reported upstream as you just mentioned.
I installed Manjaro in December for the first time. I also used KDE for first time. I’ve been using MATE for years. Manjaro KDE looks great, but lack of stability concerns me. I’ve experienced fundamental problems with pacman, pamac, also some usability issues with KDE itself. Problems with such severity never happen in Debian where I come from. Also pacman’s lack of features and flexibility comparing to apt is disappointing.
I’m afraid that most likely I will go back to Debian once version 11 Bullseye is released, or may give a shot to Debian derivative MX Linux which tracks Stable. I will stay on KDE though, I like it a lot! Much more useful than MATE.
Yes, this is very possible. My setup is more conventional with ext4.
Bugtrackers are for a singular piece of software or for a family of software, not for rolling systems that keep changing day by day. In Manjaro problems are solved on a current basis, but as always, some things go unnoticed.
Upstream issues should be submitted to the developers. If they fix it, you either get the fix soon after the release or have ability to re-compile program from AUR (if you have git version). So unlike on Debian, you can really feel you make a difference, because fixes are coming much faster.
However, if you just want to use system and have no guts to be involved with software you are using, then Debian is more suitable place. Cutting edge software is awesome if you are actively involved. If not, LTS systems are better.
Pamac do have problems, a lot of them, I’m afraid. However, pacman itself is for the most time fine and super powerful once you get to know it better. Apt is usually the one that is lacking, although in not all areas. There are things that apt does better.
Tell us, what features do you need from pacman?
Even after using Plasma for years, I find new things about it. It’s a very deep and complicated DE, so it always comes with a price. Once you will master most of the customizations, you will see how other DEs are lacking. Unless you are fine with defaults, however, Plasma works the best if you like to tinker and customize, even if it means hours of experiments. It’s just fun! .
Also, because you are new (from what I see) to rolling release and cutting edge, expect to break your system once or twice… . It’s like a rite of passage. If you endure that and learn how to fix your OS and what not to do, only then it becomes stable. Software is unstable but only user can make it stable.
I have moments where I thought “What they are talking about? Manjaro is super stable, I don’t have to do much and I don’t need any effort.” But then some major fu%$#ck up happened, and I thought “This is it, I never recover from this, re-install is really needed this time”. Eventually, no matter how dire situation was, somehow, I was able to fix it.
So basically: backups, manjaro forum (especially announcements section) and common sense, and tinkering to find solution, helped me to keep my system running all these years. It’s so customized, that re-installing it would mean to lose a much and need to do a lot of work to recreate my setup. So I do my best to fix what is there.
Manjaro is not for everyone but once it can be incredibly satisfying. Coming from Debian it could be a shock, one that you never recover from. At first sight of serious troubles, you can either fight and have satisfaction, or go back to a stable, safe and boring environment. It’s what suits you more. I was using LTS systems, and it’s not for me, at least not on my personal computer. At work, LTS would be desirable thou.
I invested a lot to arch based system, so when I tried Debian (or actually MX Linux), I was lost and frustrated. Everything was so much easier on Manjaro. So I understand when a long Debian user will feel the same about Manjaro. Why invest effort when you already did that somewhere else, and you are comfortable there?
Just normal reaction and that is why it is very likely you will go back to Debian soon.
When I first started using KDE some 4 years ago, baloo also caused a lot of problems. I don’t want anything thrashing my expensive M.2 SSD. IMO there is no need for file indexing. If you don’t know where you saved that pron.mp4 you shouldn’t be using a computer without parental supervision. Hence, baloo was disabled. I’m quite surprised that even 4 years later it’s still causing people problems.
As for VLC. I got annoyed with it not closing properly and having to killall
the process. SMplayer is my goto player.
You have a point, there. I never used file indexing…just because I know where (in the über-chaos that is my hard drive) I have put things…
Same here: annoyed. First time, though. It always came through, now it gets stuck on a video. A simple video, that it renders smudgy at best. I fired it off my system and am “investigating” several media players too…
Eh, end of an era, I suppose…
Baloo does’nt dance on my drive anymore too
KDE has always been the heavy weight of the desktop environments, although I feel like Gnome is much heavier nowadays.
But that’s what you can expect from something that looks nice and is jam packed with functionality.
Exactly why I don’t mind giving it what it wants! It looks nice and it works well!
And besides, I’ve kinda got enough resources, so don’t mind giving KDE free run.
Bettet re-evaluate your knowledge/beliefs: nowadays plasma has become a lightweight in that regard. XFCEs ressource consumption is higher…
I didn’t use Xfce for almost an entire decade now, I never liked it.
Maybe compared to Xfce KDE is now a light weight, but it’s still a heavy weight compared to many other options I believe.
I do admit that KDE has been becoming pretty light in recent years, I didn’t really have the time to explore by how much however.