Is there any advantage on performance using Arch linux over Manjaro

Recently, I've switched from Ubuntu to Manjaro and using it now to get experience on arch linux based distros. I know arch linux is hard to install for newbies and it is not as user friendly as Manjaro. But still I wonder if there are some advantages like performances or stability in Arch linux that I don't have in Manjaro.

Arch is for people who want to build their own Linux environment to much work to make it usable in my eyes. You can install gnome-boxes download Arch ISO and install there, you will find out, after couple of hours, that you installed Linux :slight_smile:

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Arch Linux has the reputation - and it has a steep learning curve - but once you are there - it is a piece of cake.

Any given system performs within the given parameters. The advantage of Arch Linux over Manjaro is with an Arch Linux system you know exactly what you installed - and you will immediately know if the services/applications you installed are slowing your system.

With Manjaro you have to look into the packages chosen for a given system and start searching for culprit.

If you choose to run Manjaro on unstable branch (which is Arch Linux stable) then only the kernel and drivers will differ from Arch Linux and you get a system as close to Arch Linux as you can get without being Arch Linux.

If you want to install a Manjaro system using the command line - the #technical-issues-and-assistance:tutorials section has several guieds on the subject

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Manjaro kernel is patched for desktop responsiveness. So Arch might have 1-3% advantage in pure performance, but if both are under heavy load, Manjaro desktop should remain as responsive as usual, while on Arch there might be some freezing/stuttering.

Also, a system you build yourself with Arch is usually lighter than Manjaro defaults at least initially, which can make arch feel faster under some workloads. But if you start with a minimal Manjaro install, the difference is not significant.

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Agree, what made the difference for me was when I moved from simply typing commands along the Arch wiki to understanding what a command actually does and why I need it in the first place.

After that it seems to be down to invest a bit more time once during install (for manually entering all the required commands) but you gain continuous full control over what you work with.

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This is the clue to Linux - which is why some prefer Slackware or Gentoo :laughing: they wanna know why it compile too.

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How unstable is unstable branch I am on testing on one machine for a few months with no major problem, second machine is stable. Can it broke the system that reinstall will be necessary?

I have been on unstable since 2016 - I can't remember if I had any major issues - update from TTY if systemd and xorg is in the same update.

But my system isn't complicated either - I started with Gnome - with some detours around Xfce and KDE but since years now using Openbox. I lost interest in Gnome years ago - I occationally play with KDE - only in VM - and because I am very curious - I reinstall my system often - simply because my routines makes it a 10 minute task but I have noticed that the more routine I get - the longer time passes without reinstallation.

When I see the issues on the forum - and hear about users breaking their system on updates - I sometimes wonder if those breakages are self inflicted - partly - if you experiment a lot - you can't expect a system to survive for long - which brings me back to my frequent reinstallations - also because I experiment a lot. And the frequent reinstallations may have saved me from other disasters. I don't know - it could also be sheer luck.

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So I will try it, I have i3 and gnome with minimum programs, only about 1200 packages.

Simple answer is it depends what you add to Arch after install. Common sense dictates if you end up installing the same packages and GUI extensions, themes etc. you currently use, it won't perform any better that you'd notice. It may shave a few milliseconds off boot time if you don't enable as many services but that's about it. You can trim back manjaro stuff you don't need far easier than setting up a new arch install.

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Yes, there is a (slight) performance advantage in using Arch over Manjaro, and the simple reason for that is the fact that there is less bloat on Arch. On Arch you have to install everything yourself, it's a DIY distro, so you typically won't install the things you don't need. Fewer packages installed typicially means better performance.

Manjaro is more of an "one size fits many", so it comes with things you won't need. The advantage of Manjaro is that it will already be configured to run well on your machine: you get great performance out of the box and you will rarely encounter any issues with drivers and things like that. On the other hand, a poorly configured Arch will not be very performant (or might not run at all if, for example, you install a wrong graphics driver). Of course, you can customize your Manjaro install to have less bloat, and there is always Cleanjaro to consider :slight_smile:

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I've been on i3 unstable now for a couple of months. Just make sure you read the Arch news. I've had zero issue. I tend to think it's less likely for major breakage on the window managers since there just do much less to them in the first place.

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I switched an hour ago from testing, no new updates yet :slight_smile:

There were no updates from moving from testing to unstable?? Make sure you update your mirrors list and Syyu that. You should get updates daily.

>>> sudo pacman-mirrors -g && sudo pacman -Syyu                       
[sudo] password for i3: 
::INFO Downloading mirrors from repo.manjaro.org
::INFO Using custom mirror file
::INFO Querying mirrors - This may take some time
  0.299 Germany        : https://mirror.alpix.eu/manjaro/
  0.351 Germany        : https://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/package
  0.443 Germany        : https://manjaro.moson.eu/
  0.362 Germany        : http://manjaro.moson.eu/
  0.265 Germany        : https://manjaro.moson.org/
  0.195 Germany        : http://manjaro.moson.org/
::INFO Writing mirror list
::Germany         : https://manjaro.moson.org/unstable/$repo/$arch
::Germany         : https://mirror.alpix.eu/manjaro/unstable/$repo/$arch
::Germany         : https://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/unsta
::Germany         : https://manjaro.moson.eu/unstable/$repo/$arch
::INFO Mirror list generated and saved to: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
::INFO To reset custom mirrorlist 'sudo pacman-mirrors -id'
::INFO To remove custom config run  'sudo pacman-mirrors -c all'
:: Synchronizing package databases...
 core                  171.6 KiB  1906 KiB/s 00:00 [###############] 100%
 extra                1997.3 KiB  3.75 MiB/s 00:01 [###############] 100%
 community               5.8 MiB  2.36 MiB/s 00:02 [###############] 100%
 multilib              192.5 KiB  18.8 MiB/s 00:00 [###############] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade...
 there is nothing to do
~ >>> pacman-mirrors -G                                                 
unstable

If you run it every 5 seconds, I'm sure the updates will come faster :wink:

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It's the fifty-jillion little things I have to do after installing Arch--configuring this, that & t'other that can get a little frustrating at times.

To some, like me, that desire to make an operating system mine, it may be worthwhile. Other folks have no such desire, and that's a fine thing. :slight_smile:

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I installed the base, then i3 this weekend. After about 2 hours I said ■■■■ this, and just installed Manjaro i3, reloaded my few dot files I saved, and in less than 10 min and I was back to business again happy as can be.

I think it was that when I plugged my USB in, with no response that was my final straw. Now I remember why I have installed Arch a half dozen times and then never really stick with it. It's all of those little things that just seem to always be one more of. . .

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same with me someone made very good i3 edition and I can not compete so I use that one too. In few minutes working environment with everything needed. Good on ya mister unknown for me :slight_smile:

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Read the help page. :wink: It was @oberon

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