Sorry about the terse topic title, but it really is the simple question.
Why sorry, a very easily understood question. The answer is obviously “No”.
My uninformed impression in recent years is that Gnome and MATE are considered by some to be outdated technology.
- 98% of us are relatively uninformed unless we have real experience. To really KNOW any desktop takes months of use.
finding it beautifully easy to install (1hr.)
- This is quite shocking.
- I can install from a USB to my budget computer (Ryzen 5600G, no gfx, 16GiB RAM, 256GiB SSD - SATA, not NVME) and it is fully installed within about 6 minutes.
I’d say the first 70%-90% (importing stuff) within an hour - after that there’s tweaking for a week… but who is counting?
Today the latest Gnome update apparently caused my so far “minor” issue.
Why would a Gnome Update affect you, because you say you are using Manjaro Mate ?
I’m wondering if stats in the two other Forum subtopics here might reveal something about a Manjaro “mainstream” flavor.
Be careful here.
Perhaps KDE users like to break it more often - so everyone visits the forum, but we have 3 million happy Gnome users that just never bothered even to make an account… what then?
Is it time for a casual user like me to join that crowd and migrate to Manjaro KDE Plasma?
That’s an easy question to answer. But answers are perhaps too personal to be meaningful.
I use KDE, so I say YES. But this is MY ANSWER, not yours. I don’t like clicking things, so I use gestures (>MOUSE< not trackpad)
I love KDE with X11, with mouse gestures and all that jazz…
XFCE is super stable and top choice amongst many Manjaro developers… but it’s more ‘basic’.
Because XFCE is super stable, why would it’s users bother visiting the forum regularly? Sometimes LESS is MORE.
Because KDE is super complicated, I think more people PLAY with it and BREAK it by playing too much - so they visit the forums more often. I don’t think it’s unstable, when I have problems, they are usually my own fault. I don’t use vanilla KDE.
People who use Gnome will tell you to stop being silly, and just use Gnome because it’s the best.
So I hope that’s a good answer…
The best answer is, indeed, no answer at all. Only YOUR experience can lead you to make your own choices.
I need a solid everyday OS to look/feel identical for Firefox, Thunderbird and LibreOffice - on a Dell 12GB desktop with fast 1TB nvme, and two antique Apple MacBooks with limited RAM and hobbled internal SSDs.
I don’t know, but if I could afford a fast 1TiB nvme, I’d also afford two 8GiB or two 16GiB RAM sticks to throw in there. I’d also replace any ‘hobbled’ internal SSDs.
As to my Gnome update issue on the Dell, for me so far it’s only slow opening of some apps:
26 seconds for Firefox (<1 sec. before today’s Gnome update).
51 seconds for gnome-text-editor (Kate instantaneous), etc.
Why on earth do you have Kate on a Mate/Gnome environment? Kate pulls in many KDE dependencies.
I am beginning to think you have installed different desktop environments - which is a very tricky and problematic game to play. One of the worst offenders is when you ‘test out’ different file managers - that can really mess up stuff - install Nautilus on KDE and see what I mean.
I did this before, and once I was confident I knew what I wanted I made my backup and did a fresh (insert YOUR desktop choice here… ) with only one desktop environment.
- So ANY desktop you choose will be infinitely better (and I’d suggest you get XFCE, KDE, and GNOME and put those ISO images onto a VENTOY USB disk.
For advanced users, the benefits of Manjaro vs Ubuntu are much more subtle - so I won’t join this debate.
I used Ubuntu, I used Linux Mint, and I moved over to Manjaro because I hated PPA problems I was having and love AUR, rolling updates, and NEW software.
This means I did not leave Ubuntu/Mint through instability, I left because my own shenanigans using PPA’s to install stuff outside repos was more unstable.
So my question again: Is Manjaro KDE Plasma more stable than Gnome as my family’s everyday OS now and in coming years?
Nope - they’re different.
Manjaro KDE is nice for me because I use MOUSE gestures on my X11 desktop.
Don’t misread that, I don’t use a touchpad. I draw an ‘L’ to close tabs and have at least a hundred GESTURES to do different things most folks do with keyboard/custom shortcuts.
I have SNAPSHOTS on a BTRFS system, so I keep 3 hourly snapshots, 2 daily, 2 weekly.
I can mess up my system, then reboot to restore it - takes about 40 seconds).
The worst issues with doing this:
- recent documents are also reset if you weren’t careful to protect them (i.e. run a fresh back-in-time rsync backup to your external disk so you can copy stuff back)
- ‘Watched items’ in Plex are no longer ‘watched’,
- A bunch of RED torrents which were deleted since that snapshot and no longer have the files (deleted TV episodes etc).
It’s not so important what you do.
It is more important for you to adopt a workflow. Get OPTIONS on a 16 GiB or bigger USB stick with Ventoy.
Snapshots can help you do a quick rewind. Rsync snapshots are good, BTRFS are faster - but you have to learn a little about BTRFS.
Keep Notes (I use Obsidian - and can use my extension in Firefox to Download as Markdown any tutorial page I find relevant and edit it to suit my needs) can help you write down things you need to do (setting up your SearXNG, Overseerr, Radarr, Prowlarr etc servers and stuff)
RSYNC backups can help you navigate to your old KDE/Mate CONFIG folders and copy those configs straight back. If you do any extensive editing of your terminal .bashrc, .zshrc, or FISH configs - then you definitely don’t want to lose that stuff.