General questions about using gparted and manual manjaro/linux installations

A bootloader loading a bootloader? I have never tried that so don’t know o o

Yes, because rEFInd scans for kernels upon every boot.

Here are some points that the rEFInd maintainer has pointed out. @gohlip, you might want to read this too if you want to read this too to see some of the pointers :stuck_out_tongue:

I haven’t used rEFInd in a LONG time, so it must be A LOT better now than before haha. I LOVE the themes that people have made with it though. I’ll try it sometime soon.

With my setup, I’m not scanning for kernels, I turned that off, I’m only loading the grubs. =)

Well… whenever you install a new kernel (mostly with the multi-kernel from Manjaro), you still probably have to do sudo update-grub to update that specific grub don’t you? Whereas using the rEFInd option, it’ll do it automatically.

Yes I do, but actually, if I am not mistaken, upon install of said new kernel, linux automatically runs update-grub, so there is no maintenance needed on my part still,.

It didn’t do that for me when I’ve tried it on Manjaro, after installing Kernel 4.11 :confused:

I had to go back in and do sudo update-grub.

Thanks. I also do not need to ‘update-grub’ using grub2. [1]

Here’s how I do it.
And it boots the latest kernels or if I wish to, I can boot older kernels which (I think) reEFInd cannot. Or boot funny parameters or…lots more, boot isofiles, chainload, multiboot,…grub-legacy syslinux…

[edit]
[1] - Or you can multiboot, chainload (effectively that’s what rEFInd does) or configfile to avoid ‘update-grub’

LOL now you’re telling me it’s possible to have an OS independant grub2 loader?! I wish I knew this last week. I will stick with refind to manage my grub2 loaders until further notice, however, unless I can come up with a good reason for starting all over again!

From here, the link before, the maintainer says:

Because [rEFInd] scans for kernels on every boot, rEFInd is more adaptive and is less reliant on configuration files. This is most important if you’re booting multiple Linux distributions, since in such a setup, you need to take care that the main GRUB’s configuration file knows about changes to the other distribution’s kernels.

So it sounds like it scans every kernel and puts it into the bootloader.

Ha Ha. You didn’t ask. :grinning: But seriously, even experienced users don’t use it. And for 3 or less OS’s, even I don’t think it is necessary.

That is definitely correct. I only set mine because I wanted it to only load the grub2 loaders. It was previously set to find all the kernels in addition to the grub2 loaders, but the kernels make the loading page appear messy, and it bothered me. =]

I think he’s referring to scanning multiple OS’s, not kernels within an OS.

I can confirm that by default refind displays each and every kernel on the refind boot page in addition to the OS grub2 loaders.

edit: or atleast it displayed some kernels, maybe not all of them, I cannot remember!

You could probably set it up to be cleaner, when you are bored one day, want to design all of your rEFInd, and drop grub2 loaders haha.

I skimmed through the internet (pics and vids), it looks like it lists every kernel for each OS (shows up differently depending on the theme).

Maybe so, but I also like having grub2, if not only because it’s a typical default linux install uses grub2, and I feel like I have the protection of the herd, should things ever go to heck. I know this refind adds a layer of complexity, but it seems a small one, since I can easily bypass it straight into grub2 from my bios (F10/F12…)

Have you guys tried systemd boot?
And @yaodam, here’s my write-up in case you say I didn’t tell you so. :grinning:.

Cheers. Good to compare notes.

No, I haven’t used systemd-boot aka gummiboot, but no thanks after reading into it XD

Same here. And from reading your post, I’m glad I didn’t!

Hey, guys, that’s just my personal opinion.
Who knows. you may like it and you can let us know why you like it.

I don’t like rEFind either but you liked it.
Who knows.

ps: Another reason - when (not if) windows update (or other things, to be fair) screw up your boot, how are you getting back your boot without grub?
Maybe there’s a way, let us know?

Windows update? Is that blasphemy around these parts? Nah Nah…
I would ask all the grub2 experts for help, cough @gohlip
Or maybe I would boot from a live USB and save my own ass following something like this:
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Restore_the_GRUB_Bootloader
:grin:

But that’s using grub.
I rest my case.
ha ha

Cheers, everybody.

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