here
yay count 3 BUT before download these 3 *-git (but after download, update only one package)
pamac: count 1 BUT after download these 3 *-git
You forgot the --devel option for checking development packages.
pamac update --aur --devel
Did you also enable AUR updates for classic packages? Development packages may not be checked if the global one is off.
Also, check in the console output (bottom right button) if your connection to AUR hadnāt been throttled. CLI gives an error, but GUI silently fails, so the error would be only visible in that console tab.
Iāll check when I get my computer back (should be in a few hours) Iāll write back then.
Related issue that might provide some insight:
adding --devel does not fix the issue, pamac still tells me I have one update instead of several.
This is enabled.
That does appear to be the caseā¦Iām getting a socket I/O error.
How can I get a list of aur packages that were installed through pamac and not through yay?
I ran pamac list --foreign and it lists all my aur packages including the ones installed through yay.
I assume yay will always say there is an update to a -git package, but pamac is only indicating it when there is a recent change to the PKGBUILD.
For example, nordic-polar-theme-git just got a PKGBUILD update on 2021-10-08, but highway-git hasnāt gotten an update since 2021-04-14. libjxl-git got an update on 2021-10-06, but you might have installed/update it recently, so that is why it isnāt showing up in pamac.
-git packages are pretty much always āout-of-dateā, because it builds on the latest git commit. So you should manually update them when you want by using pamac build <package name>
Thatās not true. Right now Pamac is telling me I have a goverlay-git update from 0.6.3.r6.g4369899-1 > 0.6.3.r7.ga6f420e-1, but the PKGBUILD hasnāt been updated since 0.6.2.r1.ga525eb9-1.
FYI, I either last updated that package via Yay or manually with makepkg and have never installed / updated it with Pamac.
AUR helpers normally clone the VCS repo and run git ls-remote in the project folder to see if there are new commits since the last hash it checked.
Not if the package is already built from the latest commit.
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Not true. See my edited post above. We were both typing at the same time.
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hmmm interestingā¦what else would cause pamac and yay to disagree?
Actually yay will store the commit hash locally when it builds a -git package and then when looking for updates it checks the git repositoryās last commit hash against that locally stored value. If they differ, yay will rebuild.
Pamac, afaik, is downloading sources and generates .SRCINFO (effectively calling the pkgver() function from the build file) and then compares the version against the locally installed one.
So Iād assume that for some git packages āpkgverā is implemented in a way that it does not change the version number with each commit 
edit
Just tested it in a VM:
Running pamac update -a --devel does not show any updates.
The GUI however (with āCheck for development updatesā) does show me an outdated -git package.
Also the GUI took ages whiles checking while the CLI was very quick.
I assume there is something wrong in the CLI where --devel has no effect at all.
Could you name one of those -git packages which is not showing up as update in pamac but does in yay?
Also, please post your ~/.cache/yay/vcs.json content (use āHide detailsā and code formatting when postingā¦)
Same behavior here
that definitely sounds like a possibility, for me gui and cli give different results from time to time.
`yay -Syu --devel`
:: 11 Packages to upgrade.
11 aur/deepin-wine-wechat 3.3.5.50-1 -> 3.4.0.38-1
10 aur/google-chrome 94.0.4606.81-1 -> 95.0.4638.54-1
9 aur/visual-studio-code-bin 1.61.1-1 -> 1.61.2-1
8 devel/highway-git 0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1 -> latest-commit
7 devel/kvantum-theme-orchis-git r10.0538b0a-1 -> latest-commit
6 devel/libjxl-git 0.3.7.r492.ga67be33-1 -> latest-commit
5 devel/tela-circle-icon-theme-git 2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1 -> latest-commit
4 devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
3 devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
2 devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
1 devel/zsh-z-git 351.adc81fd-1 -> latest-commit
pamac update --aur
To build (5):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
google-chrome 95.0.4638.54-1 (94.0.4606.81-1) AUR
highway-git 0.14.2.r53.g21278b8-1 (0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1) AUR
tela-circle-icon-theme-git 2020.11.29.r44.g07b82dc-1 (2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1) AUR
visual-studio-code-bin 1.61.2-1 (1.61.1-1) AUR
pamac update --aur --devel
To build (5):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
google-chrome 95.0.4638.54-1 (94.0.4606.81-1) AUR
highway-git 0.14.2.r53.g21278b8-1 (0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1) AUR
tela-circle-icon-theme-git 2020.11.29.r44.g07b82dc-1 (2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1) AUR
visual-studio-code-bin 1.61.2-1 (1.61.1-1) AUR
cat .cache/yay/vcs.json
{
"highway-git": {
"github.com/google/highway.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
}
},
"kvantum-theme-orchis-git": {
"github.com/vinceliuice/Orchis-kde.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "0538b0a38678eb0beebbceaf695e37e445079d0c"
}
},
"libjxl-git": {
"github.com/google/brotli.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "62662f87cdd96deda90ac817de94e3c4af75226a"
},
"github.com/google/googletest.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "075810f7a20405ea09a93f68847d6e963212fa62"
},
"github.com/google/highway.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
},
"github.com/libjxl/libjxl.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "a67be330ad36ea1b380d7573c7e13f9e77f72a2e"
},
"github.com/lvandeve/lodepng.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "8c6a9e30576f07bf470ad6f09458a2dcd7a6a84a"
},
"github.com/mm2/Little-CMS.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "c6d1c9c07cfd03642d154973d036fccc59a2075c"
},
"github.com/webmproject/sjpeg.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "676de227d75877eb5863ec805ba0a4b97fc2fc6c"
},
"skia.googlesource.com/skcms.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "0d549648032490dbdb091e9f1e31be56ea031599"
}
},
"orchis-theme-git": {
"github.com/vinceliuice/Orchis-theme.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "18811c46cc6178ce70adcc0bee56fe0cf9af19f4"
}
},
"qv2ray-dev-git": {
"github.com/Qv2ray/Qv2ray": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "dev",
"sha": "a35ce6fba825ae3e6b9e4f03c53e018db3efb848"
}
},
"qv2ray-plugin-trojan-dev-git": {
"github.com/Qv2ray/QvPlugin-Trojan": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "dev",
"sha": "1990d6ff7940d15edf9aecbd0a5b6b71a7db3230"
}
},
"tela-circle-icon-theme-git": {
"github.com/vinceliuice/Tela-circle-icon-theme.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "3f850e621843263a561d4694e148933c778b7534"
}
},
"yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
},
"yaru-colors-icon-theme-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
},
"yaru-colors-wallpapers-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
},
"zsh-z-git": {
"github.com/agkozak/zsh-z": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "adc81fd002ae0cee3b670482ae62aa9d0b68ad8f"
}
}
}%
I ran yay -Syu --devel a second time and highway git disappeared:
:: 10 Packages to upgrade.
10 aur/deepin-wine-wechat 3.3.5.50-1 -> 3.4.0.38-1
9 aur/google-chrome 94.0.4606.81-1 -> 95.0.4638.54-1
8 aur/visual-studio-code-bin 1.61.1-1 -> 1.61.2-1
7 devel/kvantum-theme-orchis-git r10.0538b0a-1 -> latest-commit
6 devel/libjxl-git 0.3.7.r492.ga67be33-1 -> latest-commit
5 devel/tela-circle-icon-theme-git 2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1 -> latest-commit
4 devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
3 devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
2 devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
1 devel/zsh-z-git 351.adc81fd-1 -> latest-commit
ran it a third time and all that were left were the three none-devel updates.
I assume Iām being throttled.
I forgot to add: I have a second manjaro device with a (slightly) different configuration and is exhibiting the same issue. hopefully these two can be cross-compared:
yay -Syu --devel
:: 8 Packages to upgrade.
8 aur/deepin-wine-wechat 3.3.5.50-1 -> 3.4.0.38-1
7 devel/adapta-gtk-theme-colorpack-joshaby-git 1.202101191000.r3.g942015c-1 -> latest-commit
6 devel/highway-git 0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1 -> latest-commit
5 devel/libjxl-git 0.3.7.r487.g541988a-1 -> latest-commit
4 devel/nordic-polar-theme-git v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1 -> latest-commit
3 devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
2 devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
1 devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git 21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1 -> latest-commit
pamac update --aur
To build (2):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
nordic-polar-theme-git v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1 (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1) AUR
pamac update --aur --devel
To build (2):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
nordic-polar-theme-git v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1 (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1) AUR
cat .cache/yay/vcs.json
{
"adapta-gtk-theme-colorpack-joshaby-git": {
"github.com/Joshaby/Adapta-Colorpack.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "942015c2dba2c780a2edc0943dd8fe05a35f0f70"
}
},
"breeze-adapta-cursor-theme-git": {
"github.com/mustafaozhan/Breeze-Adapta-Cursor": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "72ffeffb12b0dae77d6ffff2654f80f477231e69"
}
},
"highway-git": {
"github.com/google/highway.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "137c6df182219c98f683fff03775f8f71eb9b57f"
}
},
"libjxl-git": {
"github.com/google/brotli.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "62662f87cdd96deda90ac817de94e3c4af75226a"
},
"github.com/google/googletest.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "075810f7a20405ea09a93f68847d6e963212fa62"
},
"github.com/google/highway.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
},
"github.com/libjxl/libjxl.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "541988a1fadd793215cf956172aa743840a4e70d"
},
"github.com/lvandeve/lodepng.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "8c6a9e30576f07bf470ad6f09458a2dcd7a6a84a"
},
"github.com/mm2/Little-CMS.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "c6d1c9c07cfd03642d154973d036fccc59a2075c"
},
"github.com/webmproject/sjpeg.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "676de227d75877eb5863ec805ba0a4b97fc2fc6c"
},
"skia.googlesource.com/skcms.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "0d549648032490dbdb091e9f1e31be56ea031599"
}
},
"nordic-polar-theme-git": {
"github.com/EliverLara/Nordic-Polar.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "24ef67cab3e665755c322a8c9ce9e7caa3349223"
}
},
"plank-theme-namor": {
"github.com/roman-zm/plank-theme-namor.git": {
"protocols": [
"git"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "0f6f610ee2d488fb7d14cc48ad4d6efebfb30753"
}
},
"qv2ray-dev-git": {
"github.com/Qv2ray/Qv2ray": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "dev",
"sha": "a35ce6fba825ae3e6b9e4f03c53e018db3efb848"
}
},
"qv2ray-plugin-trojan-dev-git": {
"github.com/Qv2ray/QvPlugin-Trojan": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "dev",
"sha": "1990d6ff7940d15edf9aecbd0a5b6b71a7db3230"
}
},
"yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
},
"yaru-colors-icon-theme-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
},
"yaru-colors-wallpapers-git": {
"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
"protocols": [
"https"
],
"branch": "HEAD",
"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
}
}
}%
This time, running pamac update a second time several minutes later causes some of the updates to change:
pamac update --aur
To build (3):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
highway-git 0.14.2.r54.g7d86bcf-1 (0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1) AUR
nordic-polar-theme-git v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1 (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1) AUR
pamac update --aur --devel
To build (3):
deepin-wine-wechat 3.4.0.38-1 (3.3.5.50-1) AUR
highway-git 0.14.2.r54.g7d86bcf-1 (0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1) AUR
nordic-polar-theme-git v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1 (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1) AUR
I having a feeling that 1. The --devel option in pamac doesnāt actually do anything and 2. Checking for development package updates with an aur helper is just inconsistent in general.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
First ā¦ please dont bump.
Second I am going to focus on pointing out you generally do not want to use an aur-helper for blanket system updates. yay used to be considered pretty sane ā¦ but still.
For what its worth, this is how I update if I want to update repo and aur at once:
sudo pacman -Syu && yay -Sua --devel
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This looks like the same as first running sudo pacman -Syu then yay -Syu, not sure if there are any major differences between the two.
Iām curious as to why yay and pamac give different results when it comes to development package updates and why the --devel option in pamac doesnāt seem to do anything (as written in my previous posts).
Sorry about bumping. I have a huge patience issue when it comes to tech support and itās something I need to get over.
yay --devel certainly produces a different result for me (when updates are available)
The -a does make a difference. From the man page
-a, --aur
Assume all targets are from the AUR. Additionally Actions such as sysupgrade will only act on AUR packages.
Note that dependency resolving will still act normally and include repository packages.
As to develā¦
--devel
During sysupgrade also check AUR development packages for updates. Currently only Git packages are supported.
Devel checking is done using git ls-remote. The newest commit hash is compared against the hash at install time. This allows devel updates to be checked almost instantly
and not require the original pkgbuild to be downloaded.
The slower pacaur-like devel checks can be implemented manually by piping a list of packages into yay (see examples).
I cannot speak to pamac as I dont use it.