After cleaning up pacman, Manjaro doesn't start anymore

[ElPhysico]

Thanks for your reply merlock.

@merlock

without really knowing or understanding what they actually do .

Yes, I know this shouldn’t be the way to do things and I’ll be more thoughtful before copying commands in the future.

@merlock

I opine that you’re best bet is:

1. Make sure your personal data is safe.
2. Re-install from scratch.

That’s what I feared but as you said, probably my best bet.

@merlock

And when you get done, learn about and implement a backup strategy. It will save you some grief.

Thanks for the hint. I will look into backup stratgies.

Since you said

@merlock

you could reverse what you’ve done

does that mean you actually know what I have done there? Would you mind to explain to me what I damaged in the process or what went wrong?

Thanks again for your opinion and help!

[maycne.sonahoz]

Regarding the low disc space, cleaning pacman’s cache usually free a decent amount by itself.
sudo pacman -Sc

[ElPhysico]

Thanks for the advice!

[realmain]

@ElPhysico

Would you mind to explain to me what I damaged in the process or what went wrong?

sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

This command looks for orphan packages (pacman -Qtdq) then removes them (pacman -Rns).

There is a possibility that you removed a package that you should not have.

Pacman Manual
https://www.archlinux.org/pacman/pacman.8.html

[ElPhysico]

@realmain

This command looks for orphan packages ( pacman -Qtdq ) then removes them ( pacman -Rns ).

There is a possibility that you removed a package that you should have.

Thanks for the explanation. I already suspected something like that. I really need to learn more about packages. I always feel like I install stuff and dependencies and when I don’t need/use them anymore at a later time, then I do not know how to safely remove packages. It always feels like there are a lot of unused packages floating around but I’m not even sure if that is the case.

Also, thanks for hinting me to the manual.

[Lord_Phan]

First command told pacman to delete stuff from the cache I believe.

Second command was about looking for orphan programs.

I believe the 3rd command removed the programs identified as orphans

4th command I think is a systemd command that is deleting all journals until a set amount of disk space is reached.

I have seen threads recently where programs were being identified as orphans that were not.

Orphans, what's with the orphans

I don’t recognize all of those packages, but I do recognize many of them, and I don’t know why they are listed as orphans, but many of them are essential. Some may also have been pulled in as build-time dependencies by installing AUR packages. If I were you, I’d simply leave them all as they are. It won’t harm your system, while if you were to remove them, it very well might.

That is most likely the problem.

[ElPhysico]

Thank you for your explanation Lord_Phan!

@Orphans

If I were you, I’d simply leave them all as they are. It won’t harm your system, while if you were to remove them, it very well might.

That sounds like a good recommendation.

[Wollie]

Why don’t you check the /var/log/pacman.log file? It will tell you exactly what you have removed and will help to identify the culprit.

Just boot into a live ISO and mount your filesystem then you can open that file. You are welcome to post the last part of it here (as it is a large file) showing what you’ve done.

[ElPhysico]

@Wollie

Why don’t you check the /var/log/pacman.log file? It will tell you exactly what you have removed and will help to identify the culprit.

Thanks, I wasn’t aware of this log-file, else I would have looked into it already. I showed the relevant lines to a friend of mine and his comment was “Oh my god, just reinstall it from scratch, there were so many things removed, which shouldn’t have been removed that I don’t even know where to start.”

As I have already copied all my personal data to my Windows partition (sadly I just moved to a new country and do not have an external drive available), I guess I should start with the re-installation.

And if you like to have a look yourself, here are the relevant lines:

[2020-10-13T10:38:58+0200] [PACMAN] Running ‘pacman -Sc’
[2020-10-13T10:39:54+0200] [PACMAN] Running ‘pacman -Rns cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias’
[2020-10-13T10:40:11+0200] [ALPM] transaction started
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed xorg-fonts-alias (1.0.3-3)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed xorg-font-utils (7.6-6)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed xorg-mkfontscale (1.2.1-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed xorg-font-util (1.3.2-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed xorg-bdftopcf (1.1-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed wxgtk2 (3.0.5.1-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed qt5ct (1.1-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed qt5-styleplugins (5.0.0.20170311-24)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed python-pytoml (0.1.21-4)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed linux57-nvidia-440xx (440.100-17)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] depmod: ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/5.7.19-2-MANJARO: No such file or directory
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM-SCRIPTLET] depmod: FATAL: could not search modules: No such file or directory
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed linux-latest-nvidia-440xx (5.8-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:12+0200] [ALPM] removed linux58-nvidia-440xx (440.100-18)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed linux-latest (5.8-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libindicator-gtk2 (12.10.1-8)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed libindicator-gtk2 (12.10.1-9)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libidn (1.36-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 (16.04.0-4)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed libdbusmenu-gtk2 (16.04.0-4)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libdbusmenu-glib (16.04.0-4)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-gtk2 (2.24.32-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-pango (1:1.46.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libxft (2.3.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libthai (0.1.28-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libdatrie (0.2.12-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-fribidi (1.0.10-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libxrandr (1.5.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libxinerama (1.1.4-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libxcomposite (0.4.5-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libcups (2.3.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-krb5 (1.18.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libldap (2.4.53-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-openssl (1:1.1.1.h-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-keyutils (1.6.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-e2fsprogs (1.45.6-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-gnutls (3.6.15-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-nettle (3.6-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-gmp (6.2.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libidn2 (2.3.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libunistring (0.9.10-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-gdk-pixbuf2 (2.40.0+6+g5432316df-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libtiff (4.1.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libjpeg-turbo (2.0.5-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-cairo (1.17.2+25+gaee96d175-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-pixman (0.40.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-fontconfig (2:2.13.91+48+gfcb0420-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-freetype2 (2.10.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-harfbuzz (2.7.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-libpng (1.6.37-3)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed lib32-atk (2.36.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed js60 (60.9.0-2)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed go (2:1.15.2-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed gnome-shell-extension-openweather (1.0.r243.g1c9dd03-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed pkgconf (1.7.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed electron4 (4.2.12-6)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed cmake (3.18.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed rhash (1.4.0-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] removed jsoncpp (1.9.3-1)
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] transaction completed
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] running ‘30-systemd-update.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] running ‘60-depmod.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] running ‘fontconfig.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] running ‘glib-compile-schemas.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:18+0200] [ALPM] running ‘gtk-update-icon-cache.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:19+0200] [ALPM] running ‘update-desktop-database.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:40:19+0200] [ALPM] running ‘update-mime-database.hook’…
[2020-10-13T10:41:55+0200] [PACMAN] Running ‘pacman -Syu’
[2020-10-13T10:41:55+0200] [PACMAN] synchronizing package lists
[2020-10-13T10:41:55+0200] [PACMAN] starting full system upgrade

[Wollie]

Assuming this was the command you used:

@ElPhysico

pacman -Rns cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias

which is different to

@realmain

sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

you simply could boot into live ISO, open a terminal window and enter

sudo manjaro-chroot -a (enter 1 if only one line is offered)

and reinstall them all by

pacman -Syu cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias
mkinitcpio -P
depmod -a
update-grub
exit

Afterwards, reboot

P.S: personally I won’t reinstall all packages with latest in the name…

[realmain]

@Wollie

Assuming this was the command you used:

@ElPhysico

pacman -Rns cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias

which is different to

@realmain

sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

They did do sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

So $(pacman -Qtdq) pulls all of the orphan package names, and outputs them for pacman -Rns

For their computer at the time of using that command,

$(pacman -Qtdq) = cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias

It’s like order of operations in math, you do things in the parenthesis first to be able to continue with the rest of the equation.

[ElPhysico]

@Wollie

Assuming this was the command you used:

@ElPhysico

pacman -Rns cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias

which is different to

@realmain

sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

I understand that it looks different, but I do not understand how this command shows up there, as I followed the instructions that I had posted earlier. Maybe the list of packages to be removed is the result of $(pacman -Qtdq)?

Anyway, I can try reinstalling them as you suggest. However, I do not totally understand what you mean with that line:

@Wollie

(enter 1 if only one line is offered)

Let’s see if it is self-explanatory if I enter the command. Again, I’m copying commands without fully understanding what they do

I will let you know if it solved the problem.

[Wollie]

That’s fine, thanks for the hint - but it does not matter here. From the log file you cannot derive this.

manjaro-chroot has a little bug: If there is only one system you could chroot in it asks you to select a system and it tells you something like enter 0 or 0 and the right answer is 1 instead - that’s all. You will see it if you enter the command.

[ElPhysico]

@realmain

They did do sudo pacman -Rns $(pacman -Qtdq)

So $(pacman -Qtdq) pulls all of the orphan package names, and outputs them for pacman -Rns

For their computer at the time of using that command,

$(pacman -Qtdq) = cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias

It’s like order of operations in math, you do things in the parenthesis first to be able to continue with the rest of the equation.

Thanks for pointing that out. That was what I suspected. But I do not understand, how all these apparently essential packages were identified as orphans? Any explanation?

[Wollie]

@ElPhysico

Any explanation?

Try first to reinstall what is needed then we will have a closer look.

[ElPhysico]

(base) [manjaro-gnome log]# sudo pacman -Syu cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias
:: Synchronizing package databases…
core is up to date
extra is up to date
community is up to date
multilib is up to date
error: target not found: electron4
error: target not found: xorg-font-utils
error: target not found: xorg-fonts-alias

This is what I get as a response and it doesn’t seem right to me, nothing is installed and there are only the 3 errors.
Also in the log, it only shows

[2020-10-15T21:29:58+0200] [PACMAN] Running ‘pacman -Syu cmake electron4 gnome-shell-extension-openweather go js60 lib32-libdbusmenu-gtk2 lib32-libidn lib32-libindicator-gtk2 linux-latest linux-latest-nvidia-440
xx linux57-nvidia-440xx python-pytoml qt5-styleplugins qt5ct wxgtk2 xorg-font-utils xorg-fonts-alias’
[2020-10-15T21:29:58+0200] [PACMAN] synchronizing package lists

now.

[Wollie]

Try to chroot again and run

    pacman-mirrors -f && pacman -Syyu

as first command Make sure you have internet connection.

Then exit chroot and report.

[ElPhysico]

I did and it seemed it pinged different mirrors and at the end it said

::INFO Mirror list generated and saved to: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist
:: Synchronizing package databases…
core 168.6 KiB 4.12 MiB/s 00:00 [#############################################################################] 100%
extra 2010.2 KiB 11.1 MiB/s 00:00 [#############################################################################] 100%
community 6.2 MiB 12.8 MiB/s 00:00 [#############################################################################] 100%
multilib 191.8 KiB 11.0 MiB/s 00:00 [#############################################################################] 100%
:: Starting full system upgrade…
there is nothing to do

[freggel.doe]

@Wollie

manjaro-chroot has a little bug

Luckily those times are over and that bug should be fixed now, see Bug `manjaro-chroot -a` (#312) · Issues · Tools / development-tools / manjaro-tools · GitLab and [util-mount] fix chroot -a (204ae900) · Commits · Tools / development-tools / manjaro-tools · GitLab

[Wollie]

@freggel.doe, that’s very nice to hear, nevertheless it will take a while until all the rescue USB sticks carry this, at the moment it seems just to reach unstable.

@ElPhysico, it would be probably easier for a gnome user to help you, as some of the packages you have removed seem not ot be in the repos I can see (e.g. electron4). When reinstalling, packages which have been installed as dependency previously then they should be reinstalled as depency again or at least this must be fixed, afterwards.

Some good tips how to fix this are given in this link:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Restore_local_database