About FreeOffice - it's not being installed by default

I listened to the Jupiter recording tonight, very interesting topics and not just about Manjaro+FreeOffice. Good interview! It did clarify a few points for me though as did this discussion topic. I'm going to listen to that show though from now on, it's enjoyably informative if that makes sense.

@Frog the large ISO could be an additional offering rather than replacing the separate DE offerings. Other distributions already offer this.

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Yes, he tried WPS, and it didn't do as good a job on some of his files. I know WPS is supposed to be really great for that, but I found with some of my own older doc files that Libreoffice actually handled them better... Who can figure...

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Yup, terrific show.

Hopefully this whole issue will calm down now...

i also did the same
i didnt wanted to be left out of features

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Oh look ... who would have ever thought to say 'hey this is an RC .. please wait .. it wont be default .. stop going crazy .."
Oh yeah - everyone who missed tinfoil day.

Sorry folks this isnt about 'listening to the community'.
I think If I had done that I might have walked off a cliff.
This is how the process works - and was always aiming towards goals like this.

The pats on the back go not towards 'listening' but towards a reasonable team and development process, in this case, despite a large section of the 'community'.
[heck a lot of that community could do better with 'listening']

I hope some will attempt to remember that..

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The original announcement was not clear on that point . Going forward perhaps more care needs to be taken with the wording of announcements like this and maybe some of the team with a stronger foundation in the english language can assist with that .

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I agree with this as well (and jonathon alluded to it)
But still - every other comment from anyone closer to the project (and certainly aside from the cornucopia of trolling) attempted to clarify and assert statements such as those gathered together in this thread. They were combined and quoted and repeated from day 1 - some chose to ignore and keep trolling and FUDing. Which is fine - no one even shut down the talks until they reached ridiculous levels. Im just saying it was said. Many times.

I agree 'announcements' and sometimes the tag-ons in certain update announcements, et al should be handled better, or better thought out. I honestly dont think they shoulld even be in the 'update announcements' .. that all said ... reasonable folks could have been reasonably expected to act more reasonable.. yeah ?

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Agreed , there will always be some that will not get it regardless . Nothing you can do about that .

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Other than to surreptitiously electrify their keyboards...

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The biggest problem was there where a handful of "Trolls" that just kept hijacking other topics or re-opening new topics so they could troll some more. Those people know who they are. Reading through several of these threads on this topic it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see there was only really a handful of people whose names kept popping up on every thread regarding the topic using their circular arguments and unsubstantiated made up facts to incite chaos rather than have any kind of meaningful conversation on the topic. These people did so even after they had the facts, they just kept trolling over and over again jumping from one thread to another.

Unfortunately some people just have nothing better to do with their time than to try to incite chaos. There are always going to be those running around like chicken little proclaiming that the sky is falling simply because they don't have anything better to do with their time or efforts.

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Well, all this was possible only because of the initial collaboration initiative, and only the constructive critiques got things better:

and

I stand by my critique against the harsh critiques (that were not necessary) :wink:

Understood

So each side in this debate can then be accused of "ignoring" the other. Maybe I'm biased (being opposed to the move myself), but I think even an objective read of the opposing posts will yield a considerable allusion to the fact that they are opposed to the promotion of a proprietary software, not just it's existence.

Promotion - as in, for example, putting it as the default (even if only to have it tested - why are we providing free testing services to a profit-making company?). Promotion - as in including it as a choice of office software where the dozens of other paid alternatives are not.
Promotion - as in providing market research feedback on their product.

As I understand it, people (some, at least) are questioning why Softmaker are being promoted. No announcements about free choice, or changes that Softmaker are making to their product address this issue in the slightest. I think most peaople already know that Manajro (and Arch) are not FOSS only platforms. It's not about simply having a non-FOSS product available though is it? So detractors are not "ignoring" announcements. People simply want to know (and unless I've missed it, still remain unanswered on) why this particular company are being promoted by what they (quite fairly) think of as being, at least in part, their OS.

Is it so hard to imagine that a community which acts as testers, documentation-writers, support staff and even occasional coders might feel they have some communal ownership of this project (even if only in name)? And that such a community might have some strong feelings about their efforts being put towards promoting someone else's profits?

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Thanks for the clarification.

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MS Office Online I see more as a wrapper to access remote software that users are subscribed to. So not 'really' as an Office Suite installed.
To have fully functional and compatible software installed natively (and usable offline), combined with access to your documents that may be used elsewhere in a windows environment, that looks pretty ideal to me.

how many office suites we have for linux
as far as i know
we have

  • libreoffice

  • calligra

  • openoffice

  • onlyoffice

  • freeoffice

  • wpsoffice

  • yozo office

  • and gnome office

    AbiWord – word processing application
    Gnumeric – spreadsheets application
    Ease – presentation application
    Inkscape – Drawing
    Glom – database manager
    GnuCash – financial manager
    Evolution – Email manager and RSS viewer
    Evince – PDF viewer
    gLabels – label-maker
    Dia – Diagram designer

made for elementary os using granite

spice-up - presentation app
writer - word processor app
spreadsheet - spreadsheet app
aesop - pdf viewer

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Thanks for letting us choose! thats awsome news. Manjaro remains my distro to go if i have to recommend it to some one :slight_smile:

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My understanding is that most gripes do not even have that depth of understanding...
but hey, thats just what I've read ...

This has been answered in the most crude way I can imagine - literally philm said they are close and talked to them. thats pretty much it. there is easy acces and an interest. based upon this interaction they now will provide better softwafe for everyone. I really dont get the issue ...

There are a half dozen companies within walking distance of my office. I don't use my business assets to freely promote them all simply because of their proximity. Unless philm is randomly approaching companies with a similar address I can't see how this constitutes an explanation. As I've mentioned before, there's a difference between and explanation of what happened and a description of what happened. It's the former I think people are after, the latter seems to be what has been provided.

I can completely understand how you might not agree with the issue, but I really can't see how you could still not get the issue after it has been so exhaustively explained.

Manjaro is an asset which has been built (partly) on the contributions of a community of people (testing, documentation, support to new users etc). That community feels like they therefore have some moral, if not financial, ownership of the asset. Many in that community do not want their asset used to enhance (by advertising, testing, market research or other) the profit of a private company. What's not to get?

I'm sure many people have a very different set of reasons why they don't like the move, I'm not trying to claim they all have the view I've expressed, but it's a perfectly comprehensible one.

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