A technical question about pamac

federation · 21 October 2021 13:25

Yes, I know the aur is unsupported and therefore can act janky and confusing, but can someone explain, from a technical perspective:

Why pamac occasionally fails to grab aur updates that are seen by yay
Why loading development package updates on pamac is very, very slow and…
By the time it is done loading it still missing some yay-visible devel updates.

Hopefully questions like this will help us improve this piece of software.

Thumbs up to the Manjaro team for responding rapidly to the aur situation.

maycne.sonahoz · 21 October 2021 13:43

AUR queries through API are throttled, through IP or HTTP headers among other means. Too many requests can result in a (temporary) blacklisting.

Development packages can change without the package actually changing version. That is because the version is checked on the source tree – looking for newer commits – and thus requires to download it first.

Do you mean

there are new updates for the same packages?
there are updates for other packages?

federation · 21 October 2021 14:43

Let’s say I run yay -Syu --devel, it tells me I have several updates, highway-git, nordic-polar-theme-git and libjxl-git, just to name a few.

I then run pamac update --aur, it tells me my only update is nordic-polar-theme-git, all the others are missing.

Also a fourth question if it doesn’t bother you to answer: let’s say at this point I fire up the pamac GUI, enable aur development update checking in preferences, then click into updates. After waiting for ten-ish minutes (because of downloading) it tells me my system is up-to-date despite pamac-cli telling me I have one update and yay saying I have several. Why does this happen?

papajoke · 21 October 2021 14:56

yes
with *-git
pamac/yay donwload app sources for read last app version : so pamac/yay can update or not only after download all *-git
ps: If *-git is disabled with pamac, there is a good reason ! it is better to do a --devel once a week

not *-git
pamac/yay, for all aur packages, send one request to aur (use rpc) for get last version - aur responce is very small so the request is fast

is not pamac but aur

compile aur app is very long if pc is not very powerful

For the aur update process, there is no difference between all aur helper rpc, git clone, makepkg and pacman -U (or makepkg -i)

federation · 21 October 2021 15:18

I don’t quite understand…in my case yay says I have three aur *git packages that need updating, while pamac can only see one of them, as if the other two *git packages are already up to date.

papajoke · 21 October 2021 15:22

here
yay count 3 BUT before download these 3 *-git (but after download, update only one package)
pamac: count 1 BUT after download these 3 *-git

maycne.sonahoz · 21 October 2021 15:25

You forgot the --devel option for checking development packages.
pamac update --aur --devel

Did you also enable AUR updates for classic packages? Development packages may not be checked if the global one is off.
Also, check in the console output (bottom right button) if your connection to AUR hadn’t been throttled. CLI gives an error, but GUI silently fails, so the error would be only visible in that console tab.

federation · 21 October 2021 15:34

I’ll check when I get my computer back (should be in a few hours) I’ll write back then.

Yochanan · 21 October 2021 15:39

Related issue that might provide some insight:

github.com/Jguer/yay

Pamac shows an AUR update, but yay does not, thoughts?

opened 09:51PM - 27 Aug 21 UTC

closed 10:05PM - 29 Aug 21 UTC

Scotty-Trees

Type: Bug Status: Triage

### Affected Version `yay v10.3.1 - libalpm v13.0.0` ### Describe the bug … I use `pamac-aur` to check what updates are coming out throughout the week, (I know you can also use `checkupdates` in a terminal as well). Because of this I knew I had a few AUR updates to take care of. So I updated my system today via `sudo pacman -Syu` and everything went smoothly. I knew I had 3 AUR packages to update thanks to `pamac-aur`, so I ran `yay` and only 2 AUR packages were updated oddly enough. I’ve updated my mirrors and I’ve used pamac’s ‘Refresh Databases’ option so I know I’m up to date at least on that end of things. My problem is `pamac-aur` is showing I have one AUR update (the package is [popsicle-git](https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/popsicle-git/)), but `yay` says I’m fully up to date and there’s nothing to do. I’m a bit confused at the moment. I've searched around a few of the closed tasks to see if I could attempt to figure it out, but so far I haven't gotten much luck. ### Reproduction Steps 1.Using `pamac-aur` to search for updates shows there's one new AUR git package to update. Close `pamac-aur` 2. Open a terminal and tried using `yay` and `yay -Syu --devel` to update the AUR git package returns nothing. 3. Unsure how to proceed. ### Expected behavior When an AUR update for a package is available, I usually run `yay` to help me update any AUR packages to the latest version. This is my first time using an AUR git package update, so I'm struggling at the moment to get it to update, any help or assistance would be most appreciated since I'd prefer to update my system all from the terminal instead of relying on `pamac-aur` for that. ### Output Hopefully some relevant outputs to assist this matter. I ran `yay -Y --gendb` and `yay -Syu --devel` but the `popsicle-git` package wasn't updated for some reason. ``` [scott@endeavourOS ~]$ yay -Y --gendb :: Querying AUR... -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: bitwarden minecraft-launcher :: PKGBUILD up to date, Skipping Parsing SRCINFO: ttf-roboto-slab -> Found git repo: github.com/pop-os/popsicle.git :: GenDB finished. No packages were installed [scott@endeavourOS ~]$ yay -Syu --devel [sudo] password for scott: :: Synchronizing package databases... core is up to date extra is up to date community is up to date multilib is up to date endeavouros is up to date :: Starting full system upgrade... there is nothing to do :: Searching databases for updates... :: Searching AUR for updates... :: Checking development packages... -> Flagged Out Of Date AUR Packages: bitwarden minecraft-launcher there is nothing to do ``` ``` [scott@endeavourOS ~]$ yay -Pg { "aururl": "https://aur.archlinux.org", "buildDir": "/home/scott/.cache/yay", "absdir": "/home/scott/.cache/yay/abs", "editor": "", "editorflags": "", "makepkgbin": "makepkg", "makepkgconf": "", "pacmanbin": "pacman", "pacmanconf": "/etc/pacman.conf", "redownload": "no", "rebuild": "no", "answerclean": "", "answerdiff": "", "answeredit": "", "answerupgrade": "", "gitbin": "git", "gpgbin": "gpg", "gpgflags": "", "mflags": "", "sortby": "votes", "searchby": "name-desc", "gitflags": "", "removemake": "ask", "sudobin": "sudo", "sudoflags": "", "requestsplitn": 150, "sortmode": 0, "completionrefreshtime": 7, "sudoloop": false, "timeupdate": false, "devel": false, "cleanAfter": false, "provides": true, "pgpfetch": true, "upgrademenu": true, "cleanmenu": true, "diffmenu": true, "editmenu": false, "combinedupgrade": false, "useask": false, "batchinstall": false } ``` Some additional screenshots to show that `pamac-aur` shows an update, but `yay` says there is nothing to do. ![Screenshot from 2021-08-27 13-37-49](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/45135187/131191744-47a46d43-85d6-49bf-866f-7085a78bbf22.png) ![Screenshot from 2021-08-27 13-38-22](https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/45135187/131191769-dc331da1-a24f-48ac-8157-a6d23b257855.png) It's almost the weekend, so I do hope you enjoy your time off if you have some! This is a minor bug/issue in my opinion so it's not like a big huge rush to get this all figured out right away. With that said though I will always be available to assist you in this issue, feel free to respond/ping me anytime and I'll respond accordingly. Thank you for taking the time to read this and thank you very much also for making an awesome AUR helper like `yay` it's a great tool to use while I'm using EndeavourOS. ```sh ```

federation · 22 October 2021 00:01

adding --devel does not fix the issue, pamac still tells me I have one update instead of several.

This is enabled.

That does appear to be the case…I’m getting a socket I/O error.

federation · 22 October 2021 00:19

How can I get a list of aur packages that were installed through pamac and not through yay?

I ran pamac list --foreign and it lists all my aur packages including the ones installed through yay.

realmain · 22 October 2021 00:21

I assume yay will always say there is an update to a -git package, but pamac is only indicating it when there is a recent change to the PKGBUILD.

For example, nordic-polar-theme-git just got a PKGBUILD update on 2021-10-08, but highway-git hasn’t gotten an update since 2021-04-14. libjxl-git got an update on 2021-10-06, but you might have installed/update it recently, so that is why it isn’t showing up in pamac.

-git packages are pretty much always “out-of-date”, because it builds on the latest git commit. So you should manually update them when you want by using pamac build <package name>

Yochanan · 22 October 2021 00:25

That’s not true. Right now Pamac is telling me I have a goverlay-git update from 0.6.3.r6.g4369899-1 > 0.6.3.r7.ga6f420e-1, but the PKGBUILD hasn’t been updated since 0.6.2.r1.ga525eb9-1.

FYI, I either last updated that package via Yay or manually with makepkg and have never installed / updated it with Pamac.

AUR helpers normally clone the VCS repo and run git ls-remote in the project folder to see if there are new commits since the last hash it checked.

Not if the package is already built from the latest commit.

Yochanan · 22 October 2021 00:30

Not true. See my edited post above. We were both typing at the same time.

federation · 22 October 2021 00:42

hmmm interesting…what else would cause pamac and yay to disagree?

Yochanan · 22 October 2021 00:44

Y’know, I’ve never figured that out. Maybe @guinux could tell you.

moson · 22 October 2021 06:50

Actually yay will store the commit hash locally when it builds a -git package and then when looking for updates it checks the git repository’s last commit hash against that locally stored value. If they differ, yay will rebuild.

Pamac, afaik, is downloading sources and generates .SRCINFO (effectively calling the pkgver() function from the build file) and then compares the version against the locally installed one.
~~So I’d assume that for some git packages “pkgver” is implemented in a way that it does not change the version number with each commit~~

edit
Just tested it in a VM:
Running pamac update -a --devel does not show any updates.
The GUI however (with “Check for development updates”) does show me an outdated -git package.
Also the GUI took ages whiles checking while the CLI was very quick.

I assume there is something wrong in the CLI where --devel has no effect at all.

Could you name one of those -git packages which is not showing up as update in pamac but does in yay?
Also, please post your ~/.cache/yay/vcs.json content (use “Hide details” and code formatting when posting…)

federation · 22 October 2021 10:26

Same behavior here

that definitely sounds like a possibility, for me gui and cli give different results from time to time.

`yay -Syu --devel`

:: 11 Packages to upgrade.
11  aur/deepin-wine-wechat            3.3.5.50-1                -> 3.4.0.38-1
10  aur/google-chrome                 94.0.4606.81-1            -> 95.0.4638.54-1
 9  aur/visual-studio-code-bin        1.61.1-1                  -> 1.61.2-1
 8  devel/highway-git                 0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1     -> latest-commit
 7  devel/kvantum-theme-orchis-git    r10.0538b0a-1             -> latest-commit
 6  devel/libjxl-git                  0.3.7.r492.ga67be33-1     -> latest-commit
 5  devel/tela-circle-icon-theme-git  2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1 -> latest-commit
 4  devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git   21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 3  devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git  21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 2  devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git  21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 1  devel/zsh-z-git                   351.adc81fd-1             -> latest-commit

pamac update --aur

To build (5):
  deepin-wine-wechat          3.4.0.38-1                 (3.3.5.50-1)                 AUR
  google-chrome               95.0.4638.54-1             (94.0.4606.81-1)             AUR
  highway-git                 0.14.2.r53.g21278b8-1      (0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1)      AUR
  tela-circle-icon-theme-git  2020.11.29.r44.g07b82dc-1  (2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1)  AUR
  visual-studio-code-bin      1.61.2-1                   (1.61.1-1)                   AUR

pamac update --aur --devel

To build (5):
  deepin-wine-wechat          3.4.0.38-1                 (3.3.5.50-1)                 AUR
  google-chrome               95.0.4638.54-1             (94.0.4606.81-1)             AUR
  highway-git                 0.14.2.r53.g21278b8-1      (0.14.2.r42.g79126ad-1)      AUR
  tela-circle-icon-theme-git  2020.11.29.r44.g07b82dc-1  (2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1)  AUR
  visual-studio-code-bin      1.61.2-1                   (1.61.1-1)                   AUR

cat .cache/yay/vcs.json

{
	"highway-git": {
		"github.com/google/highway.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
		}
	},
	"kvantum-theme-orchis-git": {
		"github.com/vinceliuice/Orchis-kde.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "0538b0a38678eb0beebbceaf695e37e445079d0c"
		}
	},
	"libjxl-git": {
		"github.com/google/brotli.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "62662f87cdd96deda90ac817de94e3c4af75226a"
		},
		"github.com/google/googletest.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "075810f7a20405ea09a93f68847d6e963212fa62"
		},
		"github.com/google/highway.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
		},
		"github.com/libjxl/libjxl.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "a67be330ad36ea1b380d7573c7e13f9e77f72a2e"
		},
		"github.com/lvandeve/lodepng.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "8c6a9e30576f07bf470ad6f09458a2dcd7a6a84a"
		},
		"github.com/mm2/Little-CMS.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "c6d1c9c07cfd03642d154973d036fccc59a2075c"
		},
		"github.com/webmproject/sjpeg.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "676de227d75877eb5863ec805ba0a4b97fc2fc6c"
		},
		"skia.googlesource.com/skcms.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "0d549648032490dbdb091e9f1e31be56ea031599"
		}
	},
	"orchis-theme-git": {
		"github.com/vinceliuice/Orchis-theme.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "18811c46cc6178ce70adcc0bee56fe0cf9af19f4"
		}
	},
	"qv2ray-dev-git": {
		"github.com/Qv2ray/Qv2ray": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "dev",
			"sha": "a35ce6fba825ae3e6b9e4f03c53e018db3efb848"
		}
	},
	"qv2ray-plugin-trojan-dev-git": {
		"github.com/Qv2ray/QvPlugin-Trojan": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "dev",
			"sha": "1990d6ff7940d15edf9aecbd0a5b6b71a7db3230"
		}
	},
	"tela-circle-icon-theme-git": {
		"github.com/vinceliuice/Tela-circle-icon-theme.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "3f850e621843263a561d4694e148933c778b7534"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-icon-theme-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-wallpapers-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	},
	"zsh-z-git": {
		"github.com/agkozak/zsh-z": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "adc81fd002ae0cee3b670482ae62aa9d0b68ad8f"
		}
	}
}%

federation · 22 October 2021 10:40

I ran yay -Syu --devel a second time and highway git disappeared:

:: 10 Packages to upgrade.
10  aur/deepin-wine-wechat            3.3.5.50-1                -> 3.4.0.38-1
 9  aur/google-chrome                 94.0.4606.81-1            -> 95.0.4638.54-1
 8  aur/visual-studio-code-bin        1.61.1-1                  -> 1.61.2-1
 7  devel/kvantum-theme-orchis-git    r10.0538b0a-1             -> latest-commit
 6  devel/libjxl-git                  0.3.7.r492.ga67be33-1     -> latest-commit
 5  devel/tela-circle-icon-theme-git  2020.11.29.r18.g3f850e6-1 -> latest-commit
 4  devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git   21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 3  devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git  21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 2  devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git  21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1      -> latest-commit
 1  devel/zsh-z-git                   351.adc81fd-1             -> latest-commit

ran it a third time and all that were left were the three none-devel updates.
I assume I’m being throttled.

federation · 23 October 2021 04:07

I forgot to add: I have a second manjaro device with a (slightly) different configuration and is exhibiting the same issue. hopefully these two can be cross-compared:

yay -Syu --devel

:: 8 Packages to upgrade.
8  aur/deepin-wine-wechat                        3.3.5.50-1                   -> 3.4.0.38-1
7  devel/adapta-gtk-theme-colorpack-joshaby-git  1.202101191000.r3.g942015c-1 -> latest-commit
6  devel/highway-git                             0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1        -> latest-commit
5  devel/libjxl-git                              0.3.7.r487.g541988a-1        -> latest-commit
4  devel/nordic-polar-theme-git                  v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1        -> latest-commit
3  devel/yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git               21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1         -> latest-commit
2  devel/yaru-colors-icon-theme-git              21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1         -> latest-commit
1  devel/yaru-colors-wallpapers-git              21.04.r5.gf0c98166-1         -> latest-commit

pamac update --aur

To build (2):
  deepin-wine-wechat      3.4.0.38-1             (3.3.5.50-1)             AUR
  nordic-polar-theme-git  v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1  (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1)  AUR

pamac update --aur --devel

To build (2):
  deepin-wine-wechat      3.4.0.38-1             (3.3.5.50-1)             AUR
  nordic-polar-theme-git  v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1  (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1)  AUR

cat .cache/yay/vcs.json

{
	"adapta-gtk-theme-colorpack-joshaby-git": {
		"github.com/Joshaby/Adapta-Colorpack.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "942015c2dba2c780a2edc0943dd8fe05a35f0f70"
		}
	},
	"breeze-adapta-cursor-theme-git": {
		"github.com/mustafaozhan/Breeze-Adapta-Cursor": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "72ffeffb12b0dae77d6ffff2654f80f477231e69"
		}
	},
	"highway-git": {
		"github.com/google/highway.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "137c6df182219c98f683fff03775f8f71eb9b57f"
		}
	},
	"libjxl-git": {
		"github.com/google/brotli.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "62662f87cdd96deda90ac817de94e3c4af75226a"
		},
		"github.com/google/googletest.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "075810f7a20405ea09a93f68847d6e963212fa62"
		},
		"github.com/google/highway.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "79126adb0f3fdbc667572a7b06dfe10cb2063df0"
		},
		"github.com/libjxl/libjxl.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "541988a1fadd793215cf956172aa743840a4e70d"
		},
		"github.com/lvandeve/lodepng.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "8c6a9e30576f07bf470ad6f09458a2dcd7a6a84a"
		},
		"github.com/mm2/Little-CMS.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "c6d1c9c07cfd03642d154973d036fccc59a2075c"
		},
		"github.com/webmproject/sjpeg.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "676de227d75877eb5863ec805ba0a4b97fc2fc6c"
		},
		"skia.googlesource.com/skcms.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "0d549648032490dbdb091e9f1e31be56ea031599"
		}
	},
	"nordic-polar-theme-git": {
		"github.com/EliverLara/Nordic-Polar.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "24ef67cab3e665755c322a8c9ce9e7caa3349223"
		}
	},
	"plank-theme-namor": {
		"github.com/roman-zm/plank-theme-namor.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"git"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "0f6f610ee2d488fb7d14cc48ad4d6efebfb30753"
		}
	},
	"qv2ray-dev-git": {
		"github.com/Qv2ray/Qv2ray": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "dev",
			"sha": "a35ce6fba825ae3e6b9e4f03c53e018db3efb848"
		}
	},
	"qv2ray-plugin-trojan-dev-git": {
		"github.com/Qv2ray/QvPlugin-Trojan": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "dev",
			"sha": "1990d6ff7940d15edf9aecbd0a5b6b71a7db3230"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-gtk-theme-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-icon-theme-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	},
	"yaru-colors-wallpapers-git": {
		"github.com/Jannomag/Yaru-Colors.git": {
			"protocols": [
				"https"
			],
			"branch": "HEAD",
			"sha": "f0c981669183103f0c0671628e9cbbd72e6191c7"
		}
	}
}%

This time, running pamac update a second time several minutes later causes some of the updates to change:

pamac update --aur

To build (3):
  deepin-wine-wechat      3.4.0.38-1             (3.3.5.50-1)             AUR
  highway-git             0.14.2.r54.g7d86bcf-1  (0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1)  AUR
  nordic-polar-theme-git  v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1  (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1)  AUR

pamac update --aur --devel

To build (3):
  deepin-wine-wechat      3.4.0.38-1             (3.3.5.50-1)             AUR
  highway-git             0.14.2.r54.g7d86bcf-1  (0.14.2.r52.g137c6df-1)  AUR
  nordic-polar-theme-git  v1.9.0.r38.gdb4a671-1  (v1.9.0.r37.g24ef67c-1)  AUR

I having a feeling that 1. The --devel option in pamac doesn’t actually do anything and 2. Checking for development package updates with an aur helper is just inconsistent in general.